Free TYPEs for ATA

[Hair-on-Fire]

Amazing how fast you Republican hypocrites line up at the government teat when it benefits you.

Ha!

 

[pkober]

So only democrats should be allowed to get gubment aid? I guess since you Dems have lived your entire life with your hand out you now must feel entitled.

 

[relief tube]

Im just a dumb regional pilot, but does getting types really help securing a new job....or is it just a free parting gift?

I hope it does though.

 

[JumpJetter]

Flew corporate for awhile, maybe others can chime in. Getting a G-IV/V/GLEX rating but having no experience will not get you far. Caveat; if you have thousands of hours of international PIC experience in heavy jets, different story. But with out that, just a type will get you nowhere IMHO. You'd be better off going to one of these operators and getting on a smaller a/c (Lear, Citation, Westwind, etc..) then being promoted within the organization to a larger a/c. Any other comments from Charter/corporate guys?

I'd just get the B737 rating....probably gives ya a better shot at SWA in the future.

 

[Lear70]

Flew corporate for awhile, maybe others can chime in. Getting a G-IV/V/GLEX rating but having no experience will not get you far. Caveat; if you have thousands of hours of international PIC experience in heavy jets, different story. But with out that, just a type will get you nowhere IMHO. You'd be better off going to one of these operators and getting on a smaller a/c (Lear, Citation, Westwind, etc..) then being promoted within the organization to a larger a/c. Any other comments from Charter/corporate guys?

I'd just get the B737 rating....probably gives ya a better shot at SWA in the future.

Having been both routes, I have to wholeheartedly DISagree with this opinion.

See 737 type to left. NO guarantee of Southwest job...

SEVERAL companies hiring right now for GIV, GV, G350/450, F50/F900, F2000/2000EX/2000EASy positions that REQUIRE the type rating but have no minimum time in type. I've spoken directly to recruiters at some of these positions, and they'll happily take on an SIC with zero time in type but who HAS the type, simply because it dramatically lowers their costs AND time lag to get someone scheduled and done with class (up to a year or more).

Get 8-12 months of SIC time in the airplane (250+ hours) and, if you have extensive PIC time in other transport-category jets, upgrade comes quickly (depending on company) or you're qualified for any number of PIC positions.

That said, the LAST thing I want to see is more people buying a type rating for a job. It makes it harder for those of us already in the charter/corporate world and makes employers think that never paying for a type rating is an acceptable practice. Kind of makes me glad they're only giving people $6k or so, prohibits most people from buying a bizjet type.

As far as getting on with a charter or corporate operator who has smaller and larger jets and moving up, I'd get it in writing BEFORE you take the job. In this environment, fewer people will be leaving those larger bizjet positions and, as mentioned earlier, they have a BIG tendency to hire direct-entry pilots already typed and current in those larger aircraft to save them the $20-$40k+ to type someone. Been there, seen that... repeatedly.

 

[OnTheDole]

Good thing those morons on the East voted out ALPA for all of US/AWA... I wonder what USCABA will get all of the furloughs here, besides a swift kick in the nuts.

 

[Whine Lover]

i takes wht ebr dey gimme and then i'm goin' for more cheese...WORK is for Foolz.

dum azz liberals.

love,

YKMKR

P.S. - Voting for McCain, I am a total Hypocrite. Sorry, but..."Greed Is Good." F.U. All... I'm getting a Type in an IL-62. Because I CAN. And these Gubmint Tit-Sucking Soccer Mom's who run this kRaP won't even know the difference! God Bless Amerika!

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

i takes wht ebr dey gimme and then i'm goin' for more cheese...WORK is for Foolz.

dum azz liberals.

love,

YKMKR

P.S. - Voting for McCain, I am a total Hippocrite. Sorry, but..."Greed Is Good." F.U. All.

That's usually what is comes down to for the conservatives.

Them: "I'm against the government doing anything. Cut my taxes!"

Me: So how many of your grandparents/parents collect social security?

Them: All of them

Me: And they're all on Medicare/Medicaid too?

Them: Well, ya.

Me: And the last time you were furloughed you collected unemployment and got that type rating paid for by the government?

Them: Well, ya. But I deserve it.

Hypocrisy

 

[Whine Lover]

I had to edit that there "Hippocrite" thang...Dang, that's a hard word!

Did I finally get it right?

All I know is this:

- If I gots the Money....You can't have it.

- If you gots the Money...I want it.

I believe we call this "Situational Ethics".

Hypocrisy is Good.

Get out of my way while I send money for food relief, and then cave your skull in because you ( NOT "YOU" as in the previous Poster, just the general "YOU".) eat food that should be MINE.

Survival belongs to the FIT. Sorry, It's that "Food Chain" thing....I will strangle you to get what I perceive to be MINE.

Sort of like Airline Pilots.....

Love,

YKMKR

 

[Freight Dog]

Having been both routes, I have to wholeheartedly DISagree with this opinion.

See 737 type to left. NO guarantee of Southwest job...

SEVERAL companies hiring right now for GIV, GV, G350/450, F50/F900, F2000/2000EX/2000EASy positions that REQUIRE the type rating but have no minimum time in type. I've spoken directly to recruiters at some of these positions, and they'll happily take on an SIC with zero time in type but who HAS the type, simply because it dramatically lowers their costs AND time lag to get someone scheduled and done with class (up to a year or more).

Get 8-12 months of SIC time in the airplane (250+ hours) and, if you have extensive PIC time in other transport-category jets, upgrade comes quickly (depending on company) or you're qualified for any number of PIC positions.

That said, the LAST thing I want to see is more people buying a type rating for a job. It makes it harder for those of us already in the charter/corporate world and makes employers think that never paying for a type rating is an acceptable practice. Kind of makes me glad they're only giving people $6k or so, prohibits most people from buying a bizjet type.

As far as getting on with a charter or corporate operator who has smaller and larger jets and moving up, I'd get it in writing BEFORE you take the job. In this environment, fewer people will be leaving those larger bizjet positions and, as mentioned earlier, they have a BIG tendency to hire direct-entry pilots already typed and current in those larger aircraft to save them the $20-$40k+ to type someone. Been there, seen that... repeatedly.

Actually Lear, if we have a written conditional employment offer on company letterhead, I was told they'll pay for any bizjet type - GLEX, G-IV, G-V, Citation, whatever... or if you are 55+ and considered too old to start over at another airline.

For everyone else, they're pushing 737 types, or if you were already typed, other airliner types.

It's the chicken and egg argument. We'll see how it all plays out...

 

[apache]

Those of us left to pick up the tab for this nonsense would be better served by the 'gubment handing out blue smocks and pointing those former professionals towards the nearest Wallyworld.

This is not an insult to those unfortunate to be out of work. Handing out types just further undermines the job market for others as well as tanks reasonable spending in government.

Some are going to have to suck it up hard to stay in this business or face the cold reality that they are out of the game. Making the working public pay for needless type ratings is not a solution.

 

[Freight Dog]

Actually Apache... We all paid for it via taxes/unemployment insurance, etc.

Would you rather have a pilot collect 25k in unemployment picking his ass, or would you rather spend that money to get that pilot back to work so he can start paying taxes again?

 

[Lear70]

If true, that's not a bad deal at all.

I wonder if they'll extend the same program to the workers that all the other Majors are about to put on the street. Word is 177 furlough at airTran is VERY close at hand... would be great if those guys had some similar type of program...

 

[iwannaflyCAL]

IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN' TIME......

Finally something worthwhile out of ALPA.

I couldn't believe this when I read it. Kudos to those that are responsible. Nice to read something positive in the airline industry again.

Good luck to all those involved.

 

[vclean]

Escalating fuel prices will force the smaller corporate operators to park their a/c. Travel is one of the first budgets to go.

 

[iwannaflyCAL]

This just in.....Apache is an asshloe...continue

 

[apache]

It would appear that there are quite a few people here that think that they are ENTITLED to a flying job. Perhaps these people would be happier in a more socialist society, where they can be taken care of from the cradle to the grave. The state could also provide them with a greater sense of self-esteem.

Anyone who wants the taxpayers to pay for an unnecessary type rating, probably doesn't possess competitive requirements to rightfully EARN a job otherwise. We all know this to be true, even if it hurts your feelings.

 

[Lear70]

Anyone who wants the taxpayers to pay for an unnecessary type rating, probably doesn't possess competitive requirements to rightfully EARN a job otherwise. We all know this to be true, even if it hurts your feelings.

Well, let's see here...

I have paid over $180,000 in Federal Taxes over the last 15 years in aviation.

I let the government pay my $6,000 type rating when I got laid off after 9/11. That was less than 4% of the total taxes I have paid. It's my fu*king money. No, I have NO problem getting some of it back when I needed it.

If that makes me someone who "doesn't possess competitive requirements to rightfully EARN a job otherwise", then I guess 9,000+ hours, 5 jet type ratings, and no failed training events or checkrides is uncompetitive these days...

I don't think the 4,000+ airline pilots who are about to be on the street by the end of the year fall under that category, either.

In other words, you're barking up the wrong tree, buddy.

 

[apache]

Well, let's see here...

I have paid over $180,000 in Federal Taxes over the last 15 years in aviation.

I let the government pay my $6,000 type rating when I got laid off after 9/11. That was less than 4% of the total taxes I have paid. It's my fu*king money. No, I have NO problem getting some of it back when I needed it.

If that makes me someone who "doesn't possess competitive requirements to rightfully EARN a job otherwise", then I guess 9,000+ hours, 5 jet type ratings, and no failed training events or checkrides is uncompetitive these days...

I don't think the 4,000+ airline pilots who are about to be on the street by the end of the year fall under that category, either.

In other words, you're barking up the wrong tree, buddy.

I see that you are a proponent of the entitlement society, comrade.

If you are angry about the amount of taxes you have paid, I agree with you. That is not the issue. Extrapolate out type ratings, or the equivalent cost, among the literally millions of other workers who have lost their jobs, you would see that the concept is untenable.

Of course, if you are just a crybaby that has to rely on the 'gubment to fix all of your personal shortcomings, then maybe six type ratings will do the trick. Your problem is that I, and millions of other taxpayers, oppose this abuse of public funds, Buddy.

 

[HalinTexas]

Eat my carcass.

I would like to get out of aviation, but I need to find a job as good as what I had to make that work.