FRED BUTTRELL Letter to CMR Pilots

[Ifly4money]

D'Angelo where in the world did you come up with the idea that "we are very well compensated"? Man you need to lay off the Kool-Aide! How many tens of thousands did you spend on your doctorate sorry I mean pilot training? I spent plenty and I want a return on my investment. If you completed a 4 year degree and pilot training then you have the equivelent education as a Dr. I paid my dues at the CFI level paying dues time is over. I want to eat something other than hamburger helper again tonight. 5th time this week!

 

[D'Angelo]

D'angelo, you are probably just the kind of guy that picks up open time while his brothers are walking the street after being furloughed......Nice picture fag

Yes I do still pick up open time and you know what it doesnt put one extra guy on the street that wouldnt have been there in the first place. Your just jealous because I can play the keyboard

I'm guessing you're young and single with no mortgage and no kids. Right?

Actually I have a lady and while no kids yet perhaps soon. Between my salary, picking up open time and her salary we are actually quite well off. We can live quite comfortable and yes with a mortage. You guys tend to bend the facts a bit and way dramatize your so called "plight"

 

[L1011 Rules!]

D'Angelo

I bet you went to Riddle.......Get that SILVER SPOON out of your mouth....Obviously you have not had a real job with a real company......Every time you go to the Doctor do you ask the him/her to take a pay cut so that you can be seen by the Doctor? Are you frekk'n kiddn me? Why should the pilots take pay cuts to provide a service? WE DON"T GET PAID A LOT OF MONEY!!!!! And you want to cut it back even further.....Get a life dude!

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo where in the world did you come up with the idea that "we are very well compensated"? Man you need to lay off the Kool-Aide! How many tens of thousands did you spend on your doctorate sorry I mean pilot training? I spent plenty and I want a return on my investment. If you completed a 4 year degree and pilot training then you have the equivelent education as a Dr. I paid my dues at the CFI level paying dues time is over. I want to eat something other than hamburger helper again tonight. 5th time this week!

I never said FOs are well compensated but captains are. In my opinion clearing over 80-90k/yr is doing pretty darn well. Plus combine that with the lady's income and thats well into the mid 100 range. Right now combined income is in the upper 5 figure range. I have no debt because I paid for my flight training as I went. Sorry maybe some of you guys need financial advisers or somethin if all you can afford is ramen noodles or hamburger helper. 1st year pay is rough, after that you can live comfortably especially with 2 incomes

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

L1011 Rules.

What disapointing avatar. Jonny D wants to win a world series and he knows won't be playing ball in 85 years. So he went with a winner. The BOSOX 2006 season is going to be back to normal. Losin' and snoozin'

Meanwhile the Yanks are putting together an impressive line up. Not only do they take the field to win, they are on track this year to do so...

Jonny cleans up real nice to....

Back to the CMR issue...

 

[rtmcfi]

Yes I do still pick up open time and you know what it doesnt put one extra guy on the street that wouldnt have been there in the first place.

Wrong, when you pick up open time with others on the street, you ARE the one putting them on the street. I guess you are just another greenslipper.

Vote yes to these concessions. When ASA takes their concessions, Fred will be back. Vote yes again. Now SkyWest pilots will follow your lead, and they too will take concessions. Fred will be back, asking for more. At this point, Mesa will enter the picture. Fred will be back. Vote yes again. Now how is that salary treating you? Is there enough open time to make up the difference?

Your selfishness is matched only by your short-sightedness. Hopefully the rest of the Comair will man up like they have a pair. What this industry needs is someone to say enough..........

Guess it won't be you.

 

[StarChecker]

The fact is we are very well compensated for what we do

Enough said....

 

[DAL737FO]

Second of our MEC is not the one that is in charge of the hiring process at CMR. Last time I checked that was a function of managment handled via the HR dept.quote]

You're right he just didn't support the hiring of furloughees and tried to use them as leverage. Real gem. Here is my supporting documentation for the those that will say the above statment is bogus. It's funny how he couldn't support hiring of furloughees without seniority number resignation unless, of course, scope was relaxed.

TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.

Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.

The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

 

[DrewBlows]

D'Angelo is an obvious flamer, look at his posts. He's probably sitting in his mother's basement laughing every time someone replies. If he's serious, he's just a sad individual. Quit replying and he will go away.

 

[mrnolmts]

The fact is we are very well compensated for what we do.

You *are* kidding, right?
I'm starting to wonder if you are in management in some way, shape or form if you are serious making a statement like that.
With that said, since I am not in the Comair's pilots shoes, I will not urge them to vote one way or the other, since I have nothing to lose in this. Hope it works out for you guys!