Fractional Minimums

Atccfi

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I don't mean any disrespect or want this to be flame bait, but I have a serious question. I was looking at the minimums of a few fracts. (NJ, Flt ops, CIt Shrs) and they all seem to be pretty high. Especially when you take into account their low pay. Considering everyone on this board pretty much seems to hate working at all these places how can they expect to hire and maintain quality pilots? Or better yet, why would a pilot with that much time subject themselves to such treatment? Again, no disrespect.... just a thought. Thx, ATCCFI
 

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flight pay

'cuz pilots are a bunch of whores..............
 

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Atccfi said:
Considering everyone on this board pretty much seems to hate working at all these places how can they expect to hire and maintain quality pilots?

Not "everybody on this board" and not "all these places" are unhappy where they work. There are some of us that are content.


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At Flexjet, the pilot minimum quals are written into the contract with the owners (I'm told). Absolutely unbreakable or face a "breach of contract" suit.
 

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Actually, CitationShares pilots are paid quite well. Everyone seems to be happy there. They also have the best attitude of any of the other pilot groups that I meet on the road.
 

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The people at NJA are great. There are a couple of turds, but what company doesn't have them. For the most part, everyone I run across in this company are good people. Some tours I love the job and others I hate myself for ever coming here! They "scheduling" will work you like a 2 dollar whore if you let them. They don't care if you get rest or not. If they could, they would work you 14 and 10 for 7 straight days. All they care about is covering trips. Which they should, it's their job. I don't blame scheduling, it's the f%$#ed up management that keeps overselling the company. Things will change for the better at NJA or we will just go away.
 

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Atccfi said:
I don't mean any disrespect or want this to be flame bait, but I have a serious question. I was looking at the minimums of a few fracts. (NJ, Flt ops, CIt Shrs) and they all seem to be pretty high. Especially when you take into account their low pay. Considering everyone on this board pretty much seems to hate working at all these places how can they expect to hire and maintain quality pilots? Or better yet, why would a pilot with that much time subject themselves to such treatment? Again, no disrespect.... just a thought. Thx, ATCCFI
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Sensitive topic man...you will find some hardcore threads on this forum talking about this very thing...moreso the pay issue though. It is interesting though...
 

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XTW said:
Not "everybody on this board" and not "all these places" are unhappy where they work. There are some of us that are content.


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X -Sorry for the generalization. maybe it just seems as if the vast majority is unhappy.

Humphrey - Looking at airline pay wesite, it doesn't look like C Shares pays that much better....especially in the long run...and when you say "paid quite well" I am sure you mean given the present state of the industry, because what they are paid is actually a pretty lousy amount!

Regardless, thank you all for the feedback.
 
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Yeah, what is up with C-Shares paying the same for the next 10 years? Any bonus $$$? What is the incentive?
 

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"What is the incentive?"


In this day and age of aviation, 'unemployment'. Thank you sir, may I have another!?
 

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Hi!

I just talked to a guy who talked to the CS Chief Pilot. He told me that CS was looking for 6000-6500 hours to be competitive.

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atpcliff said:
Hi!

I just talked to a guy who talked to the CS Chief Pilot. He told me that CS was looking for 6000-6500 hours to be competitive.

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1500 is competetive for a job at the regionals and the pay isn't that much different
 

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viper548 said:
1500 is competetive for a job at the regionals and the pay isn't that much different
My point exactly!!! How can they expect to recruit and keep pilots with such high mins and such lousy pay.....
 

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They are still getting people, but not like they use to. Call NJA and ask management the same question. I am sure they will put some sort of spin on it for you!
 

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Well Flight Options has a plan to retain the best and the brightest in the industry. Too bad that doesn't apply to pilots just former airline management. We also have a fanatical attention to detail. We fanatically can't keep track of anything. We will distinguish ourselves from our competitors with better customer service. Have you seen the inside of some of our aircraft lately.? Glad Im not spending big bucks to ride on some of them. All that being said we do get a fuel savings gift card every quarter, yippee!!!!!!!
 

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Humphrey - Looking at airline pay wesite, it doesn't look like C Shares pays that much better....especially in the long run...and when you say "paid quite well" I am sure you mean given the present state of the industry, because what they are paid is actually a pretty lousy amount!

ATCCFI...you're not looking at the whole picture.
 
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Citationshares starting pay is 2 - 3 times better than regionals. plus annual raises, plus bonuses and the best per diem anywhere.

In addition everone have a 7 on 7 off schedule.

I made more the first year at CS than I did as an 8 year captain flying turboprops 20 days a month.
 

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here, here Av9r.

I don't know where that other guy in getting his info, but he better find a new source.
 
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