For those that want to "vote and get it over with" at SKYW

[CFIT]

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SkyWest pilots weren't asked for concessions. SGU didn't have to ask. They just imposed them. Ready reserve and PBS are examples of management imposed concessions. 50-99 seat pay for a couple of years past expiration of the TA is more BS.
Don't you have something to do in dispatch?

1. Most large airlines (with unions) have some sort of ready reserve

2. The scheduling survey that was sent out to the pilots recently indicated that the high majority was happy with PBS and given the chance to go back to hard lines would prefer PBS, approx 70% sent back surveys, 85% prefered PBS.

3. I recently had a anniversary with the company, and flew the 700 on a trip, compared to last december my pay went up over eight bucks an hour, nearly 10% (longevity+ 1% + 5%)

I guess that's a lot to be unhappy with.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

1. Most large airlines (with unions) have some sort of ready reserve

2. The scheduling survey that was sent out to the pilots recently indicated that the high majority was happy with PBS and given the chance to go back to hard lines would prefer PBS, approx 70% sent back surveys, 85% prefered PBS.

3. I recently had a anniversary with the company, and flew the 700 on a trip, compared to last december my pay went up over eight bucks an hour, nearly 10% (longevity+ 1% + 5%)

I guess that's a lot to be unhappy with.

PBS has meant less days off and lower credit for the month every month since we switched from hard lines...
I'm glad everything is swell for you! However, some of us have not had a longevity increase for a long time, and no COLA either... The 700 flies into and out of our domicile and even overnights here, but we can't bid it because crews junior to us are doing all the flying in and our of our base in the 700
(longevity 0% + no 700 or 900 flying 0% + 1% for the last 6 1/2 +next 4 years = 1% for 10 1/2 years)!

 

[CFIT]

PBS has meant less days off and lower credit for the month every month since we switched from hard lines...
I'm glad everything is swell for you! However, some of us have not had a longevity increase for a long time.

You should probably take some time and learn PBS.

Longevity raises occur every year.

 

[Ezralite]

I'm not saying its the best alternative, but just like the two-party system in US Government, you keep a collective balance instead of tipping the scale one way all of the time. Also hypothetical, is the reality that if all airlines were ALPA, then all airlines might gang up on ALPA until all pilots are taking concessions. One ALPA group falls and the rest fall with it. And the case could also be stated that just the opposite would happen. Where are airlines pay their pilots $5,000,000 an hour. And everyone is hunky-dorey.

Again, it's the non-union airlines that keep things balanced, so that neither ALPA nor the airlines gain too much momentum either way on the aforementioned scale of 'destiny.'

Nice flawed logic.

I guess in World War II the United States should have fought with Great Britain in order to defeat the Germans faster.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

I'll blame PBS! Vacation/User time request- All denied for the last 12 months ! Seems we never have anyone to cover you that day Sir. People are maxing out their vacation hours here and not by frigging choice! Not to mention "Forced Flying"

 

[Gr82Aviate]

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You should probably take some time and learn PBS.

Longevity raises occur every year.

Hey smart guy... Apparently you're not senior enough to have capped out on pay(hint: that means no more longevity increases)! As far as PBS goes I have gotten advice from 3 different PBS trainers and KH himself, along with reading the Skyw PBS manual. The problem is our pairings are getting worse and worse because crews from other domiciles are doing our flying, so that we end up having to deadhead a lot...and the fact that they keep putting forced pairings on our schedules leaves us with very little control over our final bid reward!

 

[HelloNewman]

Overall if you asked the majority of the pilot group I think you can safely say we wouldn't change a thing about PBS. You get a much greater variety of trips you can do. You aren't stuck with all 4 day, 3 day, 2 day, 1 day or standup trips all month. You can do a high paying 2-day and a high paying local. You can do just one high paying 4 day and the rest locals.

The possibilities are endless and the control over your schedule is much greater. You almost always get the days off you ask for. You don't have to bid certain lines to get the one set of days off you need. You can ask for the days you need and not have to sacrifice the month. Overall you can choose if you want a high or low credit month. You can work your tail off or hardly work at all. It is a bummer the pairing quality has gone down in certain domiciles but there is just no way to make everyone happy.

Some of the drawbacks include more expensive to take vacation, CN pairings if your junior, etc. If we were under the old system there would be more people on reserve and the CN pairings would just goto the reserves anyway. Its better to be a junior lineholder than a senior person on reserve. Overall there are few drawbacks and the pros outweigh the cons. If the pairings suck it doesn't matter if you are in a hardline or a PBS system. With PBS you at least have a bit more control over your life.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Overall if you asked the majority of the pilot group I think you can safely say we wouldn't change a thing about PBS. You get a much greater variety of trips you can do. You aren't stuck with all 4 day, 3 day, 2 day, 1 day or standup trips all month. You can do a high paying 2-day and a high paying local. You can do just one high paying 4 day and the rest locals.

The possibilities are endless and the control over your schedule is much greater. You almost always get the days off you ask for. You don't have to bid certain lines to get the one set of days off you need. You can ask for the days you need and not have to sacrifice the month. Overall you can choose if you want a high or low credit month. You can work your tail off or hardly work at all. It is a bummer the pairing quality has gone down in certain domiciles but there is just no way to make everyone happy.

Some of the drawbacks include more expensive to take vacation, CN pairings if your junior, etc. If we were under the old system there would be more people on reserve and the CN pairings would just goto the reserves anyway. Its better to be a junior lineholder than a senior person on reserve. Overall there are few drawbacks and the pros outweigh the cons. If the pairings suck it doesn't matter if you are in a hardline or a PBS system. With PBS you at least have a bit more control over your life.

I guess you didn't read what I just wrote? I've been getting forced pairings and I'm not close to being junior...When our bid results came out last month I was with the number one flight attendant and even she had a forced pairing, she's not "junior" either!

 

[HelloNewman]

I guess you didn't read what I just wrote? I've been getting forced pairings and I'm not close to being junior...When our bid results came out last month I was with the number one flight attendant and even she had a forced pairing, she's not "junior" either!

I am assuming you are based in PSP or maybe SMF. I do not know the situation there however I see no reason to give someone senior a CN pairing especially if there is someone on reserve. If they are giving CN pairings to everyone then they should add another pilot to the base. There are plenty that want to be based there.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Me and my fellow skywest pilots do not want to be the bar raisers.

Once again...............You don't speak for me!

Trying to go out and raise the bar is simply too risky.

Really? Explain how? Risky to whom?

 

[Gobi Gred]

Me either. Why shouldn't we be the bar raisers? We work for the most profitable regional in the nation and one of the the most profitable airlines in the world. At some point the pilots at SkyWest will have to pull their collective heads out of the sand and make a contribution to this profession.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I am assuming you are based in PSP or maybe SMF. I do not know the situation there however I see no reason to give someone senior a CN pairing especially if there is someone on reserve. If they are giving CN pairings to everyone then they should add another pilot to the base. There are plenty that want to be based there.

And that's the point exactly...apparently they should add more crewmembers to the base(there is a long list of people who would love to get in), however with PBS they don't have to because all they do is shove the forced pairings down our throats!!

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

HelloNewman must be looking at pbs through rose colored glasses. I'm sure it's great if you're in the top 20% or so. I held better trips on the old style of bidding.

All this does is allow the Co. to get away with fewer reserves (again denied timeoff because ther's no one to cover it.) 4 day trips with a pretty litle local tacked on the end.

And BTW how do you know you're getting the flying you deserve? Some really junior guy could be going to your corporate HQ everyother week and boinking some grossly overweight scheduler to score 3 day trips. The only way I'd know is if he was bragging about it. Or if the moped theory was applied.

I hope if we do get ALPA, The first order of business is the abolishment of P B S!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

HelloNewman must be looking at pbs through rose colored glasses. I'm sure it's great if you're in the top 20% or so. I held better trips on the old style of bidding.

All this does is allow the Co. to get away with fewer reserves (again denied timeoff because ther's no one to cover it.) 4 day trips with a pretty litle local tacked on the end.

And BTW how do you know you're getting the flying you deserve? Some really junior guy could be going to your corporate HQ everyother week and boinking some grossly overweight scheduler to score 3 day trips. The only way I'd know is if he was bragging about it. Or if the moped theory was applied.

I hope if we do get ALPA, The first order of business is the abolishment of P B S!

Amen!

 

[skyhogg]

Hey if it goes through I will be as happy as anyone else. Yes I would have to say what you said is true. Me and my fellow skywest pilots do not want to be the bar raisers. There is nothing wrong with that, some are followers and some are leaders. I think it is best for job security that we follow the industry leading contracts to help shape our own pay structure. Trying to go out and raise the bar is simply too risky.

Oh lord please stop speaking for the SKW pilots as if you are our representative. I read most of your posts with mild amusement but don't put words into other pilot's mouths...it's really boring and makes you look naive and uninformed.

To the non SKW guys, whether we're pro or con the union, MOST of us do not think like he does.