Follow your contract :HOTEL VANS

[waka]

but Right seat CA over here whined his way onto FI to garner sympathy and I aint about to give it to him. In fact, since he wont disclose (read lie) about what really happened and only told the portion to make him look good, I just razzed him a bit...so grow a pair and suck it up or not - whatever...IDK.

You're being very presumptuous. I have been in similar situations in which the other pilot was on the opposite side of the labor/management fence and always trying to do management favors. I would follow such policies to the letter.

I don't think the post was fishing for sympathy at all. As a matter of fact. his post was mildly entertaining.

 

[Tristar]

Wes - While one can debate/discuss the specific tactics employed in this case, I commend you on your strategy. Stand up for what you have, and demand what you are worth.

Yeah, I dont blame the guy, its hard to argue with an idiot...

Front9, good to see you've finally quit talking to yourself in the mirror. I'm guessing your avatar is a group portrait - that must be you on the left.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Not so long ago...In a galaxy far far away.

So Capt. D-bag arranges a contractually non- compliant van ride for the last day of our 10 day (insert sarcasm here) trip. Although he does not directly inform me of this, I discover that he intends to have the crew on a van that departs the hotel 1 hour and 30 minutes before our scheduled departure. (One hour is contract compliant) Since I can look out my window and see the terminal building, I call the company and imform them that I will not be leaving on that van and will leave on the next one. In the morning I receive a call from the hotel clerk saying the crew is looking for me. I asked her to inform the Captain that I will depart the hotel in a contractually compliant manner. When I arrive at the gate early I see D-bag in the jetway

D-bag: Oh! you made it!

Me: Why wouldn't I, I can see the terminal from my hotel window.

D-bag: I informed you on what van we were going to take.

Me: No you didn't. But it doesn't matter, I wasn't going to take a van not in compliance with our contract.

D-bag: The flight attendants heard me.

Me: It doesn't matter, what's that got to do with anything?

D-Bag: Well, I guess we need to have your hearing checked.

Me: Are you implying I am unfit to fly?

D-Bag: (Enraged) That's it! I've had enough!. Do you want off this trip!? Because I'll call the Chief Pilot and have you removed!

Me: You can do whatever you want to do.

D-bag: That's it! You are off the trip! I'm calling right now!

Me: Knock yourself out. Just curious, are you going to tell him you want me off the trip because I showed up on time.

D-Bag: You're being argumentative! I can't work with you...you're gone.

Me: Go ahead man...roll the dice. Should I go ahead and call my union rep?

Pretty sure I flew with this guy recently. Are you sure it didn't feel more like a 20 day trip? Mine did.

 

[Clyde Frog]

This rings of AirTran. The 1hr prior to departure is right out of our contract when flying a standup.

 

[HAL]

Wes, good job. What you did was 100% correct. Of course people can't follow the contract letter by letter every single day. But when there's no reason for ignoring it, and the Captain blows up when you are following it, it's obvious he's on a power trip and nothing you do will please him.

Keep up the good work, and thank you AirTran guys for the jumpseat a few months back. You're a class act, even if your management doesn't recognize it. You are welcome to come out to the islands on our jumpseat any time.

HAL

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Maybe the CA was making the van plans based on faulty info (van time from front desk, etc.). Maybe while you were out of earshot, a pushy FA was whining about not being able to get food before departing and wanted the earlier van and he gave in to shut them up.

If all the F/O is there for is checklists, then it's a single-pilot operation and the pax didn't pay their money for that.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Do you really think being belligerent (whether it's to a CA or and F/O) really helps change future behavior? Do what you like, but think about how effective your tactics are.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Maybe the CA was making the van plans based on faulty info (van time from front desk, etc.). Maybe while you were out of earshot, a pushy FA was whining about not being able to get food before departing and wanted the earlier van and he gave in to shut them up.

If all the F/O is there for is checklists, then it's a single-pilot operation and the pax didn't pay their money for that.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Do you really think being belligerent (whether it's to a CA or and F/O) really helps change future behavior? Do what you like, but think about how effective your tactics are.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Classic PUI.

 

[Sandhawk]

I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Maybe the CA was making the van plans based on faulty info (van time from front desk, etc.). Maybe while you were out of earshot, a pushy FA was whining about not being able to get food before departing and wanted the earlier van and he gave in to shut them up.

If all the F/O is there for is checklists, then it's a single-pilot operation and the pax didn't pay their money for that.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Do you really think being belligerent (whether it's to a CA or and F/O) really helps change future behavior? Do what you like, but think about how effective your tactics are.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

I think we just found the Captain............

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[njcapt]

I think we just found the Captain............

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

No kidding. Maybe monkeys flew out of his butt and they told him to get to the airport a freaking hour and a quarter before departure (AirTran's RON show is 45 min prior). If an FA wanted to get a Cinnabon before work, they could have gone on their own.

Wes is not a whiner or a malcontent. This DB was as F'd up as a football bat.

 

[getonit]

No kidding. Maybe monkeys flew out of his butt and they told him to get to the airport a freaking hour and a quarter before departure (AirTran's RON show is 45 min prior). If an FA wanted to get a Cinnabon before work, they could have gone on their own.

Wes is not a whiner or a malcontent. This DB was as F'd up as a football bat.

Most FA's don't need to be eating any Cinnabons, give them a bowl of oatmeal and apple.