Follow your contract :HOTEL VANS

[Wesb737fo]

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, HEHEHEHE AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA, SOMEONES ANGRY...

Look Junior, I can tell you're an insecure little silver spoon in mouth brat who still rebels against authority. How do I know this...just by the way you responded to my little post. You aint <---yes its a word in the south, the Captain and you aint telling us the whole story. Just by your little whiny post, I'm guessing you probably questioned every decision the captain made for the last 10 days and things finally came to a head that last day.

You may want to look at how you act and carry yourself. Yes the CA is probably a Dbag Ahole that no one wants to fly with. But you are also the disrespectful, anti-authority, Right Seat CA that REAL Captains bid avoid. May you always fly with an all male crew. Bye Bye...

My query to your stupidity was justified and made with no anger. If I touched a nerve about working at Mesa (hopefully you aren't still there), you have my sincere apology. However, you made a boatload of assumptions without knowing me. At no time during any portion of the flying did I ever question the Captain's authority.

As a matter of fact things were quite amicable until I was told that our Union was horrible and that I should be happy to have had a job. Upon protest, I was then told that if I didn't like my contract that I should quit.

Junior? Insecure? Brat? Way off buddy. If standing up for my contract by refusing to violate it makes me a right seat Captain then I'll take those stripes. Look, from your avatar it appears you are a Mesa survivor or maybe you're still there, either way, I don't think you have any idea as to what is going on at this airline.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm a Captain at the same airline. The FO can take whatever van he wants. If he shows up on time, who cares? If he shows up late, then it's his responsibility, we're all adults. He used the term "Contractually Compliant van" because that is a hot-button topic right now, and was trying to make a point . . . . and he was right. Why you ass-clowns want to weigh in on this AirTran issue is beyond me. From what I hear, MESA guys don't know much about hotels, since they're either sharing a trailer at an out station, sleeping on the plane, or flying 26 legs a day and living in their parent's basement.

 

[front9]

I love how putting a funny avatar up automatically associates me with Mesa Airlines...
HAHAHA I love it!
Dont work there, never worked there, never slept on a purple board between seats...sorry chaps, hate to bust your bollocks but you two are both wrong.
I have no dog in this fight, I think its a SH!TTY deal u guys are getting but Right seat CA over here whined his way onto FI to garner sympathy and I aint about to give it to him. In fact, since he wont disclose (read lie) about what really happened and only told the portion to make him look good, I just razzed him a bit...so grow a pair and suck it up or not - whatever...IDK.

 

[tomgoodman]

Laid back

During a CRM class, the instructor asked: "Suppose your F/O shows up at the airplane five minutes before pushback. How would you handle that?"
An old Captain replied: "If he beats me, he beats me."

 

[Gate 69]

Now that's funny! Much better than the name calling. When did Airtran start doing 10 day trips?

 

[mvedepo]

It seems to me that you didn't do anything to difuse the situation. My guess is that you were pissed off at this guy throughout the trip and you took this opportunity to stoke the fire. Not saying the Capt was right but you yourself handled it poorly.

Napoleon Syndrome maybe?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I'd prefer to read a thread like this that is part seriousness and part humorous. There's a chance to learn something all while having the chance to laugh at some of your witty comments.

The other option is to listen to Brown-to-the-Bone and his threads all day long.

 

[Wesb737fo]

I love how putting a funny avatar up automatically associates me with Mesa Airlines...
HAHAHA I love it!
Dont work there, never worked there, never slept on a purple board between seats...sorry chaps, hate to bust your bollocks but you two are both wrong.
I have no dog in this fight, I think its a SH!TTY deal u guys are getting but Right seat CA over here whined his way onto FI to garner sympathy and I aint about to give it to him. In fact, since he wont disclose (read lie) about what really happened and only told the portion to make him look good, I just razzed him a bit...so grow a pair and suck it up or not - whatever...IDK.

Wow, you appear to be the one who is really sensitive about the issue of right seat Captains. What's the matter, did your First Officers stop offering to carry your flight bag?

Ramper:"Hey Captain, the airplane's burning! Where are you going?"
Front9 : "Hold on, I have to save my hat!"

Seriously, I posted the thread purely for the entertainment of those who might have a clue as to what is happening here. I have no problem with authority, however, when you cross the line between opinion and antagonism, I am going to speak up. I couldn't give 2 shiites as to wether you are sympathetic or not.

So while you are making assumptions about me, here is one for you. Since you don't work at Mesa and you use that Avatar, you must have some experience with all male flight crews.

And bollocks? seriously? Who are you, Winnie the Pooh?

 

[Ty Webb]

During a CRM class, the instructor asked: "Suppose your F/O shows up at the airplane five minutes before pushback. How would you handle that?"
An old Captain replied: "If he beats me, he beats me."

Actually, I think the quote was " .. . . the FO Shows up 5 minutes before departure with a cup of Starbucks and the newspaper under his arm . . .".

 

[Ty Webb]

Right seat CA over here whined his way onto FI to garner sympathy and I aint about to give it to him. In fact, since he wont disclose (read lie) about what really happened and only told the portion to make him look good, I just razzed him a bit...so grow a pair and suck it up or not - whatever...IDK.

I'm betting you are on a lot of FO's "no fly list" and probably for a reason. I'm also betting you're a little short in the johnson department and wear your uniform in public places a lot.

 

[waka]

but Right seat CA over here whined his way onto FI to garner sympathy and I aint about to give it to him. In fact, since he wont disclose (read lie) about what really happened and only told the portion to make him look good, I just razzed him a bit...so grow a pair and suck it up or not - whatever...IDK.

You're being very presumptuous. I have been in similar situations in which the other pilot was on the opposite side of the labor/management fence and always trying to do management favors. I would follow such policies to the letter.

I don't think the post was fishing for sympathy at all. As a matter of fact. his post was mildly entertaining.

 

[Tristar]

Wes - While one can debate/discuss the specific tactics employed in this case, I commend you on your strategy. Stand up for what you have, and demand what you are worth.

Yeah, I dont blame the guy, its hard to argue with an idiot...

Front9, good to see you've finally quit talking to yourself in the mirror. I'm guessing your avatar is a group portrait - that must be you on the left.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Not so long ago...In a galaxy far far away.

So Capt. D-bag arranges a contractually non- compliant van ride for the last day of our 10 day (insert sarcasm here) trip. Although he does not directly inform me of this, I discover that he intends to have the crew on a van that departs the hotel 1 hour and 30 minutes before our scheduled departure. (One hour is contract compliant) Since I can look out my window and see the terminal building, I call the company and imform them that I will not be leaving on that van and will leave on the next one. In the morning I receive a call from the hotel clerk saying the crew is looking for me. I asked her to inform the Captain that I will depart the hotel in a contractually compliant manner. When I arrive at the gate early I see D-bag in the jetway

D-bag: Oh! you made it!

Me: Why wouldn't I, I can see the terminal from my hotel window.

D-bag: I informed you on what van we were going to take.

Me: No you didn't. But it doesn't matter, I wasn't going to take a van not in compliance with our contract.

D-bag: The flight attendants heard me.

Me: It doesn't matter, what's that got to do with anything?

D-Bag: Well, I guess we need to have your hearing checked.

Me: Are you implying I am unfit to fly?

D-Bag: (Enraged) That's it! I've had enough!. Do you want off this trip!? Because I'll call the Chief Pilot and have you removed!

Me: You can do whatever you want to do.

D-bag: That's it! You are off the trip! I'm calling right now!

Me: Knock yourself out. Just curious, are you going to tell him you want me off the trip because I showed up on time.

D-Bag: You're being argumentative! I can't work with you...you're gone.

Me: Go ahead man...roll the dice. Should I go ahead and call my union rep?

Pretty sure I flew with this guy recently. Are you sure it didn't feel more like a 20 day trip? Mine did.

 

[Clyde Frog]

This rings of AirTran. The 1hr prior to departure is right out of our contract when flying a standup.

 

[HAL]

Wes, good job. What you did was 100% correct. Of course people can't follow the contract letter by letter every single day. But when there's no reason for ignoring it, and the Captain blows up when you are following it, it's obvious he's on a power trip and nothing you do will please him.

Keep up the good work, and thank you AirTran guys for the jumpseat a few months back. You're a class act, even if your management doesn't recognize it. You are welcome to come out to the islands on our jumpseat any time.

HAL

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Maybe the CA was making the van plans based on faulty info (van time from front desk, etc.). Maybe while you were out of earshot, a pushy FA was whining about not being able to get food before departing and wanted the earlier van and he gave in to shut them up.

If all the F/O is there for is checklists, then it's a single-pilot operation and the pax didn't pay their money for that.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Do you really think being belligerent (whether it's to a CA or and F/O) really helps change future behavior? Do what you like, but think about how effective your tactics are.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Maybe the CA was making the van plans based on faulty info (van time from front desk, etc.). Maybe while you were out of earshot, a pushy FA was whining about not being able to get food before departing and wanted the earlier van and he gave in to shut them up.

If all the F/O is there for is checklists, then it's a single-pilot operation and the pax didn't pay their money for that.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Do you really think being belligerent (whether it's to a CA or and F/O) really helps change future behavior? Do what you like, but think about how effective your tactics are.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Classic PUI.

 

[Sandhawk]

I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Maybe the CA was making the van plans based on faulty info (van time from front desk, etc.). Maybe while you were out of earshot, a pushy FA was whining about not being able to get food before departing and wanted the earlier van and he gave in to shut them up.

If all the F/O is there for is checklists, then it's a single-pilot operation and the pax didn't pay their money for that.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

Do you really think being belligerent (whether it's to a CA or and F/O) really helps change future behavior? Do what you like, but think about how effective your tactics are.

Let's hear about the time you followed the letter of the contract and it ended up causing you to miss your flight back home and buy a hotel room.

I think we just found the Captain............

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[njcapt]

I think we just found the Captain............

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

No kidding. Maybe monkeys flew out of his butt and they told him to get to the airport a freaking hour and a quarter before departure (AirTran's RON show is 45 min prior). If an FA wanted to get a Cinnabon before work, they could have gone on their own.

Wes is not a whiner or a malcontent. This DB was as F'd up as a football bat.

 

[getonit]

No kidding. Maybe monkeys flew out of his butt and they told him to get to the airport a freaking hour and a quarter before departure (AirTran's RON show is 45 min prior). If an FA wanted to get a Cinnabon before work, they could have gone on their own.

Wes is not a whiner or a malcontent. This DB was as F'd up as a football bat.

Most FA's don't need to be eating any Cinnabons, give them a bowl of oatmeal and apple.