FO/Flex how would you vote to integrate??

[jetwash]

BTW - it would be nice to get the answers to the EASY questions from my first post. So now who is guilty of the smoke and mirror show?

Seeing as someone already posted the info you requested, can you now post the same info on the flex side of the house so the FO pilots can see where we stand.

It would be nice for us to get the EASY answers as well.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

It was actually a few #'s shy of 1000.

Are you trying to say TWA that it was the IBT's fault that we are less than half our pilots now then before somebody name S.M. Scheeringa and his little Indian sidekick was tasked by Raytheon with a contract to get Flight Options to a point that they were able to sell it off, because Ricci had the company in such bad financial shape that the only choice for Raytheon was to take it back over. And then after they sold it to HIG, the little indian sidekick Sanjay sued Raytheon for not making good on the contract they provided him that said he would receive a percentage of the sale, all the time they kept telling us we didn't need a contract, that nobody else at Flight Options had a contract, etc......

Don't think I inferred that at all.

Was the IBT on property when you had close to 1,000 pilots?

If they weren't, then how could they be responsible?

 

[slowtation capt]

Don't think I inferred that at all.

Was the IBT on property when you had close to 1,000 pilots?

If they weren't, then how could they be responsible?

Then what exactly was your point of remembering when?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Crickets

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

Crickets

Dead thread.

 

[doh]

The action is in the base thread...

 

[993_Pilot]

Let's face it, if Flexjet management was really in control, they they would be the ones negotiating with the IBT right now.... yet they aren't. It is still KR and his few trusted compadres. Honestly, I don't blame him at all, but the idea that DW and company are in control is another one of KR's "illusions".

 

[el raton]

Let's face it, if Flexjet management was really in control, they they would be the ones negotiating with the IBT right now.... yet they aren't. It is still KR and his few trusted compadres. Honestly, I don't blame him at all, but the idea that DW and company are in control is another one of KR's "illusions".

Why do you keep working for KR?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

He's a good businessman with good ideas. I just wish he wouldn't keep trying to balance the books on the backs of the pilots.

 

[V1 Rotate]

We're all told that Ricci is to be despised, not trusted and what a snake he is. I'm not defending him. But on the other hand, how many times have the 1108 pushers told us what a magnificent miracle it was to get in the depth of the recession such a massive increase in many aras. Your CBA would've never happened had Ricci not signed off on it. Seems to me that you should be thanking him for reaching deep into his pockets and giving you the double digit pay raise that every FLOPs pilot has told me about in the FBO's. I know that isn't going to happen, of course, I'm just pointing out the irony.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

We're all told that Ricci is to be despised, not trusted and what a snake he is. I'm not defending him. But on the other hand, how many times have the 1108 pushers told us what a magnificent miracle it was to get in the depth of the recession such a massive increase in many aras. Your CBA would've never happened had Ricci not signed off on it. Seems to me that you should be thanking him for reaching deep into his pockets and giving you the double digit pay raise that every FLOPs pilot has told me about in the FBO's. I know that isn't going to happen, of course, I'm just pointing out the irony.

You are asking for way to much.

They can only thank the IBT for their gains.

Wait, didn't two parties have to sign their CBA, the IBT and the devil, oh sorry the company.

 

[993_Pilot]

Why do you keep working for KR?

Really? How long have you been in Aviation? Would you be willing to start out at the bottom of somebody else's seniority list?

We're all told that Ricci is to be despised, not trusted and what a snake he is. I'm not defending him. But on the other hand, how many times have the 1108 pushers told us what a magnificent miracle it was to get in the depth of the recession such a massive increase in many aras. Your CBA would've never happened had Ricci not signed off on it. Seems to me that you should be thanking him for reaching deep into his pockets and giving you the double digit pay raise that every FLOPs pilot has told me about in the FBO's. I know that isn't going to happen, of course, I'm just pointing out the irony.

I never said KR was a snake. He just puts himself ahead of his employees, and the 1108 is there to help balance that equation. Do you honestly think that the reason we have a contract is due to the generosity and benevolence of KR?

You are asking for way to much.

They can only thank the IBT for their gains.

Wait, didn't two parties have to sign their CBA, the IBT and the devil, oh sorry the company.

Well, let's see... one party signed willingly after a long negotiation during a major downturn in the economy realizing it was probably the best they could get considering the circumstances, and the other party signed reluctantly after attempting to negotiate far less for their employee's. I wouldn't say he's the devil, but the phrase "Employees are the Foundation of a Service Company" is apparently just something that looks good on a letter-head to KR. Of course, I am sure he will make every attempt to show you Flex pilots differently, so enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Praetorian]

We're all told that Ricci is to be despised, not trusted and what a snake he is. I'm not defending him. But on the other hand, how many times have the 1108 pushers told us what a magnificent miracle it was to get in the depth of the recession such a massive increase in many aras. Your CBA would've never happened had Ricci not signed off on it. Seems to me that you should be thanking him for reaching deep into his pockets and giving you the double digit pay raise that every FLOPs pilot has told me about in the FBO's. I know that isn't going to happen, of course, I'm just pointing out the irony.

Huge oversimplification. The reality is he fought us tooth and nail for several years after his return and only agreed to the TA under the threat of a strike.

I'll give him one thing, he does mix up a tasty Koolaid, but I see you've already tasted it.

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

Let's face it, if Flexjet management was really in control, they they would be the ones negotiating with the IBT right now.... yet they aren't. It is still KR and his few trusted compadres. Honestly, I don't blame him at all, but the idea that DW and company are in control is another one of KR's "illusions".

That is a false statement. Our senior management has had more than one meeting with IBT already.

 

[GooseHZ]

A meeting between Flex Management and the IBT is a far cry from a negotiations with DAC management. So what your trying to imply is false.