Flying Struck Work???

[Skaff]

I wish the Republic union would grow some balls and stand up and say, "we are not taking mainline jobs , this whole deal stinks and it's not right". If this goes down, your pilot group won't have my respect anymore. This is a low blow, you have a "unified" pilot group, now you have to make a decision. What's it going to be?

 

[Propsync]

Ehhhhh? Could you explain that? Are they taking out a 717 and replacing it with a 17?


I am lost, so what exactly is going on?

Yeah. Bear with my poor analogy. When I buy a new car I remove my old car from service, then I put my new car in service. It happens on the same day, but I never have more than one car at any one time.

The 717's will be returned to Boeing and removed from the certificate as the 170's come on. From a fuzzy picture, it looks like even the N#'s are starting where the 9 remaining 717's stop.

Like I said before W, this is not a union issue. People are carrying on like it is. Nobody cuts 78 percent of its fleet just for wage cuts at mainline. The transfer of aircraft is also not an issue, because Midwest won't last that long. If and when the Delta merger goes, Midwest will be the first thing gone. TPG will sell the gates to Delta, then pull whatever cash they have left in it and put it ch. 7. Airplanes will go back to Republic. Paint the aircraft again and you have a nice minihub (it will never be as big as it was in early 2007).

One thing I learned from this: If an airline is removing aircraft from service and no furlough letters are sent, expect more furloughs. The 80's were parked at about the same time furlough notices went out, as well as this new announcement. Many are collecting a check for a month or two and not even flying before their furlough.

 

[Minimaniac]

I wish the Republic union would grow some balls and stand up and say, "we are not taking mainline jobs , this whole deal stinks and it's not right". If this goes down, your pilot group won't have my respect anymore. This is a low blow, you have a "unified" pilot group, now you have to make a decision. What's it going to be?

by your statement, it appears we already don't have your respect. Our union is currently mounting a legal challenge to the Midwest deal. Since there are currently no Midwest planes to fly, we can't exactly refuse to show up to work, now can we? The only front to fight on right now is the legal one, and we are doing so. I really don't understand what else you expect us to do at this time.

 

[Propsync]

I wish the Republic union would grow some balls and stand up and say, "we are not taking mainline jobs , this whole deal stinks and it's not right". If this goes down, your pilot group won't have my respect anymore. This is a low blow, you have a "unified" pilot group, now you have to make a decision. What's it going to be?

I wish people had better command of what's really going on here. I wish some of these 'professionals' knew what a scab is, and what a strike is. So many experts on here calling Republic strikebreakers and Midwest isn't even on strike.

My thoughts to Republics' flight crews. You all have one heck of an image and PR battle to fight, if the great flightinfo is any gauge of the matter.

 

[king10pin02]

The 717's will be returned to Boeing and removed from the certificate as the 170's come on. From a fuzzy picture, it looks like even the N#'s are starting where the 9 remaining 717's stop.

the n# on the airplane did not change. this was a former mid atlantic (usair) airplane. there are several other MA/MD tail numbers and has nothing to do with the Midex N#s

 

[j41driver]

Struck work is defined by the striking party...

Exactly. No strike = no struck work.

 

[Propsync]

the n# on the airplane did not change. this was a former mid atlantic (usair) airplane. there are several other MA/MD tail numbers and has nothing to do with the Midex N#s

Gotcha. The picture looked like a nine. Guess it was an eight. Thanks.

 

[Skaff]

So as long as it's not struck work you can just screw over another pilot group? By the way, I never used the word scab.

 

[Propsync]

So as long as it's not struck work you can just screw over another pilot group? By the way, I never used the word scab.

I know you didn't, but others have. But really, what choice do Republic pilots have? Trust me, if Delta wasn't in the picture, they'd have turned out the lights at Midwest months ago. Republic isn't screwing anyone. TPG was able to jettison 16 717's. I think that's a much bigger screwjob. And if this is so groundbreaking, why aren't Frontier and Spirit doing the same thing?

Also, be very afraid after the entire MEC at Midwest get furloughed. Many of the top 100 are not very pro-union. I'd be more concerned about them screwing everyone.

 

[Ezralite]

HEIL ALPA, ALL HEIL ALPA!!!!

Shouldn't you HoJet pilots be saying "HEIL HULAS"?

 

[Skaff]

I know you didn't, but others have. But really, what choice do Republic pilots have? Trust me, if Delta wasn't in the picture, they'd have turned out the lights at Midwest months ago. Republic isn't screwing anyone. TPG was able to jettison 16 717's. I think that's a much bigger screwjob. And if this is so groundbreaking, why aren't Frontier and Spirit doing the same thing?

Also, be very afraid after the entire MEC at Midwest get furloughed. Many of the top 100 are not very pro-union. I'd be more concerned about them screwing everyone.

Trust you? Republic pilots have come on this sight and rejoiced about the fact that they probably won't have to furlough due to the repositioning of the aircraft to Midwest. Seems a little cowardly doesn't it. Republic isn't screwing anyone? Ask a Midwest pilot if they think that is true. Seems that you are a little disconnected. It's easy to act helpless when your job is secure. What if the table was turned and express jet pilots were going to bring there planes to do your flying (Couldn't really happen because mainline owns all of your flying) and you were going to have to furlough because of this deal. Would you feel xjet is doing you a disservice?

 

[Minimaniac]

Republic is still furloughing. The Midwest deal has had zero impact on that. Why, you ask? The furloughs (forgot the final number, but in the 150 range) cover the 15 E135's being sold and the handful of CRJ's being returned as leases expire. We never furloughed a number that corresponded to the loss of the above mentioned aircraft AND the parked Frontier airplanes. RAH management has been planning around this Midwest deal for a while now... we the pilots never knew what was coming, but the seemingly small furlough number indicated that we needed more pilots than projected fleet size dictated.

Anyhow, I digress. You say that Republic pilots are rejoicing because the Midwest deal has helped avoid furloughs. That is wrong. You are wrong. Perhaps in coming to grips with your incorrect information, you will begin to hate a little less and desire to learn a little more.

 

[Speedtape]

Exactly. No strike = no struck work.

You are correct. It's called an Alter-ego airline. The end result is the same.

 

[Skaff]

I stand corrected. You've furloughed some pilots. Doesn't change the fact that others have rejoiced in this flying to prevent more furloughing. If management has been planning this for a while, it still shouldn't change the reaction of your pilot group. 75% of the mainline pilots are losing there jobs because of an agreement that your management is pursuing. Be careful there. Those pilots will not be all to happy, and there have been blacklist lists' for lesser evils. Be unified and do the right thing.

Republic is still furloughing. The Midwest deal has had zero impact on that. Why, you ask? The furloughs (forgot the final number, but in the 150 range) cover the 15 E135's being sold and the handful of CRJ's being returned as leases expire. We never furloughed a number that corresponded to the loss of the above mentioned aircraft AND the parked Frontier airplanes. RAH management has been planning around this Midwest deal for a while now... we the pilots never knew what was coming, but the seemingly small furlough number indicated that we needed more pilots than projected fleet size dictated.

Anyhow, I digress. You say that Republic pilots are rejoicing because the Midwest deal has helped avoid furloughs. That is wrong. You are wrong. Perhaps in coming to grips with your incorrect information, you will begin to hate a little less and desire to learn a little more.

 

[sitnresrv]

Actually, the top 100 or so pilots at Midwest are the most pro union. Why? Because the contract and various decisions were very heavily weighted towards seniority. Remember the original merger fund assessment was a straight dollar amount regardless of pay or seniority, which was opposed and then set to a percentage amount. The contractual pay is very heavily favoring the most senior pilots. Yearly pay increases are much greater for the very senior and the more junior pilots have a very, very tiny pay raise. The work rules for reserve are very thin and the senior lineholders have many more protections. I'm sure this is very common with most contracts, but to say the top 100 are anti union just isn't accurate in my opinion. I haven't heard any senior pilots very vocal against the union, if so, they certainly haven't spoken out against it. I have heard more junior pilots speak out very negatively against the union bias towards the very senior.