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To help readers better understand how 1108 operates, I offer this clarification on my fine fischy friend's clarification...:p

The elected Executive Board overseas the entire Local (both pilotgroups) and is made up of 7 NJ pilots-- 4 officials and 3 trustees. (1 of each serve as Stewards, too.) Typically, the high work load and frequent meetings, especially last year during IBB, prevent the 4 officials from being able to fly so their base salary is provided by 1108 when that happens. Their tenure ends this year and several have already posted on the NJ board that they look forward to rejoining the line. Anyone thinking it's a cushy job is seriously mistaken.

NJ and Options pilots are each served by an elected Master Executive Council. Some MEC members also serve as Stewards and take turns being the SOD and the VSOD. MEC members fly regularly so their base salary doesn't come from 1108, but the NJ MEC does earn the stipend, or flight-loss pay as it's also called. Those looking for perks won't find it on this job either.

Stewards are contract experts who represent the pilots and some pull double duty serving on one of the committees as well. Helping other pilots with contract questions/issues can be quite rewarding--if you're not talking about money. The stipend doesn't cover all the time and income Stewards donate to the pilotgroup.

The NJ pilotgroup has 18 committees and some of those stay very busy. The Chairmen of some committees also serve on joint committees with their management counterparts. Some Chairmen qualify for flight-loss pay because they spend additional time in CMH and do a ton of work on their own time. Their stipend is earned many times over.

Committee members are the group Fischman calls Volunteers. While they do a great service to the Union (yes, above and beyond flying) they don't have the responsibility that comes with positions of leadership listed above and don't usually miss flying so they aren't given the stipend. That's not to say they don't give up free time for the greater good.

I have great respect for the leaders/volunteers of 1108 who have made the Local what it is today--an example for aviation to follow. The Membership is very supportive and appreciative and many donated money to StrongUnion to help develop 1108. I am sure if the need arose that they would respond with enthusiasm again. NJW
 
What percentage of dues go to the national IBT? How much of the $$$ goes to the big business of belonging to a union?

It is a business, make no mistake about it.

It is in the IBT Constitution available all over the web, maybe on your favorite for research Wikipedia. That would require research - never mind, I know your position on real research.
 
Please Please Please

Please stop hitting the quote button when replying to B-19. I have had his idiocy on ignore for a long time now and suggest you do the same, but if you must reply try to do it without using the quote function. I'm asking you all nicely.
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With all due respect.

There is no nice way to say this.

Only whiners and cowards use the ignore function.

It's like saying, "I don't want to play with you anymore. I'm going to a different playground."

I suggest you grow up and quit whining.
 
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You are calling me crazy and a lunatic? Hardly.

Your husband was an AA alumni that got burned by a union, yet you still believe in them.




I'm calling you a idiot and a lunatic and basically not very bright.

So you are going after NJW by saying that her husband was furloughed because of the union. This is possibly one of the most assinine things you have posted and I have ever read. I believe, nope I know that her husband was furloughed after the 9/11 attacks on this country. So using your very poor logic stream, the unions of this country are to blame for fanatics hijacking jets and flying them into our national landmarks and killing thousands of people???

Even for someone as blinded by their hatred of unions as you are, this is complete and utter bullshi$. Her husband getting furloughed had nothing to do with the union and everything to do with crazies.

I'm waiting for you to post something intelligent one of these days, guess I will keep waiting..
 
I'm calling you a idiot and a lunatic and basically not very bright.

So you are going after NJW by saying that her husband was furloughed because of the union. This is possibly one of the most assinine things you have posted and I have ever read. I believe, nope I know that her husband was furloughed after the 9/11 attacks on this country. So using your very poor logic stream, the unions of this country are to blame for fanatics hijacking jets and flying them into our national landmarks and killing thousands of people???

Even for someone as blinded by their hatred of unions as you are, this is complete and utter bullshi$. Her husband getting furloughed had nothing to do with the union and everything to do with crazies.

I'm waiting for you to post something intelligent one of these days, guess I will keep waiting..

AMR was hurting before September 11. Last time I checked, the 7th comes before the 11th.

I guess Edgar on line is not a credible source to show that the industry was in trouble before then.

The statement below of "increased labor costs" is a nice way of saying "Collective bargaining agreement".

It's clear that you don't understand that the industry was in a tumble months and months before September 11th.

By coincidence, this was all within months of most of the majors signing "industry leading contracts".

________________________________


FOR RELEASE: Friday, Sept. 7, 2001


AMR EXPECTS THIRD QUARTER LOSS, RETIRES MORE AIRCRAFT IN RESPONSE TO SLUGGISH ECONOMY


FORT WORTH, Texas - AMR Corp., the parent company of
American Airlines, Inc. and TWA Airlines LLC, said today that
it expects a third quarter loss considerably larger than its
second quarter loss as it continues to feel the combined
effects of a weak economic climate, high fuel prices and
increased labor costs. The company said that it also expects
a significant fourth quarter loss.


To further rein in capacity while demand is weak, the
company announced today that it would retire five more Boeing
727 aircraft earlier than originally planned. These five
aircraft, which would have been retired during 2003, will now
be retired during first quarter 2002. This latest change
means that American will retire its entire Boeing 727 fleet by
the end of 2002, a full year ahead of the original plan.


This latest round of capacity cuts brings to 41 the
number of active aircraft that AMR will retire early in
response to poor economic conditions and falling demand. As a
result, capacity for the combined American/TWA entity will be
flat in 2001 and will fall by almost one and a half percent in
2002.


American will continue to accept aircraft that are
already on firm order and currently scheduled for delivery
through 2004. However, the company has passed on recent
purchase rights for additional aircraft that would have been
delivered in 2002 and 2003.

Click on the link for more information:


http://sec.edgar-online.com/2001/09/07/0000006201-01-500036/Section5.asp
 
There is no nice way to say this.

Only whiners and cowards use the ignore function.

It's like saying, "I don't want to play with you anymore. I'm going to a different playground."

I suggest you grow up and quit whining.

They don't like to play fischman! But that's OK.
 
If the union get in and the new contract is decent, this may be the new Netjets. Those who are in the pipeline will be ahead of the rest.
 

Well BOB,
Now that we know that info-could you post your salary and other benifits here so we can compare them?

While you are at it post MS's and Babu's too as well as the up to date costs of this lame F & H group to fight the union-which they lost.

Please post FLOPS financial status here so we can compare it to the IBT's numbers.

You are such a foolish SCAB!
 

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