FLOPS Aircraft in MIA

[netjetwife]

To help readers better understand how 1108 operates, I offer this clarification on my fine fischy friend's clarification...

The elected Executive Board overseas the entire Local (both pilotgroups) and is made up of 7 NJ pilots-- 4 officials and 3 trustees. (1 of each serve as Stewards, too.) Typically, the high work load and frequent meetings, especially last year during IBB, prevent the 4 officials from being able to fly so their base salary is provided by 1108 when that happens. Their tenure ends this year and several have already posted on the NJ board that they look forward to rejoining the line. Anyone thinking it's a cushy job is seriously mistaken.

NJ and Options pilots are each served by an elected Master Executive Council. Some MEC members also serve as Stewards and take turns being the SOD and the VSOD. MEC members fly regularly so their base salary doesn't come from 1108, but the NJ MEC does earn the stipend, or flight-loss pay as it's also called. Those looking for perks won't find it on this job either.

Stewards are contract experts who represent the pilots and some pull double duty serving on one of the committees as well. Helping other pilots with contract questions/issues can be quite rewarding--if you're not talking about money. The stipend doesn't cover all the time and income Stewards donate to the pilotgroup.

The NJ pilotgroup has 18 committees and some of those stay very busy. The Chairmen of some committees also serve on joint committees with their management counterparts. Some Chairmen qualify for flight-loss pay because they spend additional time in CMH and do a ton of work on their own time. Their stipend is earned many times over.

Committee members are the group Fischman calls Volunteers. While they do a great service to the Union (yes, above and beyond flying) they don't have the responsibility that comes with positions of leadership listed above and don't usually miss flying so they aren't given the stipend. That's not to say they don't give up free time for the greater good.

I have great respect for the leaders/volunteers of 1108 who have made the Local what it is today--an example for aviation to follow. The Membership is very supportive and appreciative and many donated money to StrongUnion to help develop 1108. I am sure if the need arose that they would respond with enthusiasm again. NJW

 

[CaveoFalco]

What percentage of dues go to the national IBT? How much of the $$$ goes to the big business of belonging to a union?

It is a business, make no mistake about it.

It is in the IBT Constitution available all over the web, maybe on your favorite for research Wikipedia. That would require research - never mind, I know your position on real research.

 

[nomore]

Please Please Please

Please stop hitting the quote button when replying to B-19. I have had his idiocy on ignore for a long time now and suggest you do the same, but if you must reply try to do it without using the quote function. I'm asking you all nicely.
Thanks


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[fischman]

With all due respect.

There is no nice way to say this.

Only whiners and cowards use the ignore function.

It's like saying, "I don't want to play with you anymore. I'm going to a different playground."

I suggest you grow up and quit whining.

 

[RNObased]

You are calling me crazy and a lunatic? Hardly.

Your husband was an AA alumni that got burned by a union, yet you still believe in them.

I'm calling you a idiot and a lunatic and basically not very bright.

So you are going after NJW by saying that her husband was furloughed because of the union. This is possibly one of the most assinine things you have posted and I have ever read. I believe, nope I know that her husband was furloughed after the 9/11 attacks on this country. So using your very poor logic stream, the unions of this country are to blame for fanatics hijacking jets and flying them into our national landmarks and killing thousands of people???

Even for someone as blinded by their hatred of unions as you are, this is complete and utter bullshi$. Her husband getting furloughed had nothing to do with the union and everything to do with crazies.

I'm waiting for you to post something intelligent one of these days, guess I will keep waiting..

 

[B19 Flyer]

I'm calling you a idiot and a lunatic and basically not very bright.

So you are going after NJW by saying that her husband was furloughed because of the union. This is possibly one of the most assinine things you have posted and I have ever read. I believe, nope I know that her husband was furloughed after the 9/11 attacks on this country. So using your very poor logic stream, the unions of this country are to blame for fanatics hijacking jets and flying them into our national landmarks and killing thousands of people???

Even for someone as blinded by their hatred of unions as you are, this is complete and utter bullshi$. Her husband getting furloughed had nothing to do with the union and everything to do with crazies.

I'm waiting for you to post something intelligent one of these days, guess I will keep waiting..

AMR was hurting before September 11. Last time I checked, the 7th comes before the 11th.

I guess Edgar on line is not a credible source to show that the industry was in trouble before then.

The statement below of "increased labor costs" is a nice way of saying "Collective bargaining agreement".

It's clear that you don't understand that the industry was in a tumble months and months before September 11th.

By coincidence, this was all within months of most of the majors signing "industry leading contracts".

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FOR RELEASE: Friday, Sept. 7, 2001


AMR EXPECTS THIRD QUARTER LOSS, RETIRES MORE AIRCRAFT IN RESPONSE TO SLUGGISH ECONOMY


FORT WORTH, Texas - AMR Corp., the parent company of
American Airlines, Inc. and TWA Airlines LLC, said today that
it expects a third quarter loss considerably larger than its
second quarter loss as it continues to feel the combined
effects of a weak economic climate, high fuel prices and
increased labor costs. The company said that it also expects
a significant fourth quarter loss.


To further rein in capacity while demand is weak, the
company announced today that it would retire five more Boeing
727 aircraft earlier than originally planned. These five
aircraft, which would have been retired during 2003, will now
be retired during first quarter 2002. This latest change
means that American will retire its entire Boeing 727 fleet by
the end of 2002, a full year ahead of the original plan.


This latest round of capacity cuts brings to 41 the
number of active aircraft that AMR will retire early in
response to poor economic conditions and falling demand. As a
result, capacity for the combined American/TWA entity will be
flat in 2001 and will fall by almost one and a half percent in
2002.


American will continue to accept aircraft that are
already on firm order and currently scheduled for delivery
through 2004. However, the company has passed on recent
purchase rights for additional aircraft that would have been
delivered in 2002 and 2003.

Click on the link for more information:


http://sec.edgar-online.com/2001/09/07/0000006201-01-500036/Section5.asp

 

[B19 Flyer]

There is no nice way to say this.

Only whiners and cowards use the ignore function.

It's like saying, "I don't want to play with you anymore. I'm going to a different playground."

I suggest you grow up and quit whining.

They don't like to play fischman! But that's OK.

 

[B19 Flyer]

It is in the IBT Constitution available all over the web, maybe on your favorite for research Wikipedia. That would require research - never mind, I know your position on real research.

http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=93&year=2006


http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionFinances.cfm?id=93&year=2006

 

[Helmsalee]

If the union get in and the new contract is decent, this may be the new Netjets. Those who are in the pipeline will be ahead of the rest.

 

[Galaxy]

http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=93&year=2006


http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionFinances.cfm?id=93&year=2006

Well BOB,
Now that we know that info-could you post your salary and other benifits here so we can compare them?

While you are at it post MS's and Babu's too as well as the up to date costs of this lame F & H group to fight the union-which they lost.

Please post FLOPS financial status here so we can compare it to the IBT's numbers.

You are such a foolish SCAB!

 

[Galaxy]

If the union get in and the new contract is decent, this may be the new Netjets. Those who are in the pipeline will be ahead of the rest.

Oh please,
are you really talking about FLOPS? It is in a death spin and recovery looks bleak.

 

[fischman]

They don't like to play fischman! But that's OK.

We may be polarized, but at least we like to play.

 

[WabiSabi]

There is no nice way to say this.

Only whiners and cowards use the ignore function.

It's like saying, "I don't want to play with you anymore. I'm going to a different playground."

I suggest you grow up and quit whining.

So, you admit that you're part of the playground? It sounds like you have a bit of growing to do yourself.....to turn your own words. C'mon man, to each their own. Ignoring B19 and his ilk is a statement and is not in the least cowardly or whining.

I don't blame anyone for ignoring the likes of B19, especially if they're here for serious and intelligent discussion. I won't do it only because it is like forcing myself to not look at an automobile accident.

 

[nomore]

Fischman my friend

There is no nice way to say this.

Only whiners and cowards use the ignore function.

It's like saying, "I don't want to play with you anymore. I'm going to a different playground."

I suggest you grow up and quit whining.

This is the internet and we are all here under assumed names.That covers the coward part.

I've read Bob Tyler I mean B-19's posts enough. He never says anything new, his position is intractable and so what is the point of arguing with the guy. I choose to ignore him, my right. And a statement of it's own.

Now calling me a whiner, that hurt but I don't think it's true. So I'll just dismiss that charge. And as far as growing up, no thanks man I've seen the consequences of that up close. I'm keeping my sense of humor, wonderment and sheer joy at being above ground.

So Fischman is it ok with you now if I keep Bob on my ignore list?


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(I love signing my name this way.)

 

[nomore]

On second thought

Aw screw it! I'm putting Fischman on ignore too. Who knows getting on my ignore list might become a badge of honor for a certain crowd.



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[nomore]

I tried

Fischman I couldn't do it. I tried but the stooges staring at me broke my will. Any man that uses a 3 Stooges avatar can't be ignored. Forgive me Fischman.


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[B19 Flyer]

We may be polarized, but at least we like to play.

You're one of the few that "gets it" that I'm not Bob Tyler, but have a vast difference of opinion with what I see on the boards.

You are 100% right, we are polarized, but it's about unions and the issues surrounding them, not the facts surrouding the issues of operating safe and efficient flights.

I've said, if you don't want to read it, go ahead and block me, I don't want you to read my opinion. But if everybody simply drank the union koolaid and nobody protested, it would be a very, very boring board.

 

[fischman]

Fischman I couldn't do it. I tried but the stooges staring at me broke my will. Any man that uses a 3 Stooges avatar can't be ignored. Forgive me Fischman.


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Fair enough man. Like i said, "With all due respect."

I just don't can't see how someone can be SOOOOOOOOOOOO offensive on the internet that you just can't bear reading their posts. Even B19's.

 

[RNObased]

AMR was hurting before September 11. Last time I checked, the 7th comes before the 11th.

I guess Edgar on line is not a credible source to show that the industry was in trouble before then.

The statement below of "increased labor costs" is a nice way of saying "Collective bargaining agreement".

It's clear that you don't understand that the industry was in a tumble months and months before September 11th.

By coincidence, this was all within months of most of the majors signing "industry leading contracts".

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[URL="http://sec.edgar-online.com/2001/09/07/0000006201-01-500036/Section5.asp"]http://sec.edgar-online.com/2001/09/07/0000006201-01-500036/Section5.asp[/URL]

I understand just fine. Yes, you are correct for once 7 does come before 11 a whopping 4 days. I'm sure if I did a search I could find a article saying the earth is flat, dated last week.

However your article about retiring 727's that should have been retired years before hardly means that NJW's husband was going to be on the streets any time soon.

You can blame unions for all that is bad with this world, that is your choice. I don't care. The fact that you can't see your way to admit that mangement also causes a lot of their own issues through stupid desisions, is pretty one sided, not to mention ignorant.

I don't know if you are who they say you are, as in the dude at FLOPS, but it sounds like you have a long history of living life with blinders on.

 

[fischman]

You're one of the few that "gets it" that I'm not Bob Tyler, but have a vast difference of opinion with what I see on the boards.

You are 100% right, we are polarized, but it's about unions and the issues surrounding them, not the facts surrouding the issues of operating safe and efficient flights.

I've said, if you don't want to read it, go ahead and block me, I don't want you to read my opinion. But if everybody simply drank the union koolaid and nobody protested, it would be a very, very boring board.

Actually, I don't care if you are Bob Tyler or not.

It looks like we agree to disagree. (Even though I'm right and you're wrong. )