Flight Options Phenom 300 Roll Out

[Soaring]

Relatively new to this board. I realize that a potential strike is imminent at Flight Options (management deserves it), but what does the rollout of the Phenom 300 look like there? Are they still expected on the property before the end of 09?​

If Management wises up and a strike is averted, what would the rollout look like through the end of the year and into 2010 (assuming no strike)? I am sure a strike would impact any rollout schedule - to the detriment of management and the sales department.​

The 300 looks like an awesome airplane. Would be a fun airplane to fly (but not for current Flight Options wage, etc). So, when will we start seeing them on the ramp?​

 

[The Kman]

One of the weekly updates from the company indicated certification by the end of the year. The first two deliveries were pushed back until March. They, the company, indicated an issue with the interior that contributed to the delay. On the bright side, an award was run for the Phenom. They are suppose to be in school after the holidays. Then hopefully a contract and recalls...

 

[bunman45]

You guys don't have the balls to strike.

 

[Soaring]

One of the weekly updates from the company indicated certification by the end of the year. The first two deliveries were pushed back until March. They, the company, indicated an issue with the interior that contributed to the delay. On the bright side, an award was run for the Phenom. They are suppose to be in school after the holidays. Then hopefully a contract and recalls...

That's too bad about the delay but not surprising. I am sure the Phenom will go senior among Beechjet pilots. Nice new flight decks and great performance. Those Beechjunks, like the one parked next to me yesterday, are looking pretty tired.

 

[ProFracPilot]

You guys don't have the balls to strike.

What? Are you going to double-dog dare us next?

Perhaps you were sleeping when the strike vote tally was taken. 90% YES vote to strike. We've reached the point where there's nothing left to lose. It's all up to management now.

 

[hyper]

"Relatively new to this board."

Christ, save yourself now and get out. Nothing to see here but keyboard Rambos and instigators.

Whatever you do, don't go to the "majors" board. You'll never want to airline again.

 

[dime line]

Looks like were on our way to a strike!

 

[cougar12]

yep, looks like the Phenom will be pushed permanently! FLOPS management is completely clueless, owners and card holders will be leaving in a mass exodus in a few weeks. I wonder when AIN will get the story that FLOPS management has continued their stalling tactics to the point of an impasse. The doors will soon be locked at FLOPS.
The only bright side is at least unemployment benifits have been extended

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

yep, looks like the Phenom will be pushed permanently! FLOPS management is completely clueless, owners and card holders will be leaving in a mass exodus in a few weeks. I wonder when AIN will get the story that FLOPS management has continued their stalling tactics to the point of an impasse. The doors will soon be locked at FLOPS.
The only bright side is at least unemployment benifits have been extended

As soon as someone sends the story to AIN. AIN always prints they are looking for info for a story. Send the facts and they'll print the story.

An unnamed source close to the story told an AIN reporter that FLOPS management..............

 

[jetwash]

When the press release comes out it will be more interesting to see what the Wall Street Journal writes.

I can only imagine all of the phone calls coming into Flight Options from customers worried about their Thanksgiving travel plans.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

you guys don't have the balls to strike.

...+1

 

[jetwash]

...+1

It won't come to a strike, as soon as the dirty laundry starts to appear on the internet the doors will close before anyone is in a position to strike.

 

[cherry20's]

Looks like were on our way to a strike!

Yeah right.... Lets see some action behind that big talk you got!!!

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

They won't strike....and I hope I am wrong.

 

[shanes123]

Flops Union leaders dont have the Balls to strike..Ricci has played them like a Fiddle...There a embarassement to a embarrasing company

 

[GerryG]

Flops Union leaders dont have the Balls to strike..Ricci has played them like a Fiddle...There a embarassement to a embarrasing company

"The coward threatens (or in this case makes accusations) when he is safe."
Author: Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

I'm sure the 1108's leaders would be happy to hear from you in person. Of course that would take "balls", which I doubt you have. I think you know their phone numbers.

 

[dime line]

Yeah right.... Lets see some action behind that big talk you got!!!

Already voted Yes, its all I can do, well sorta. How would you have voted? Would you be paid up on your dues? I don't think you would be, I think your a coat tail ryder myself, just my opinion though, could be wrong.

 

[cherry20's]

Already voted Yes, its all I can do, well sorta. How would you have voted? Would you be paid up on your dues? I don't think you would be, I think your a coat tail ryder myself, just my opinion though, could be wrong.

I wear the coat... The nice Marmot one!

Maybe you should find a better job, you might need it...:bawling:

Keep firing away, I'll keep hitting them back at ya! CHUMP...

 

[William Holiday]

I wear the coat... The nice Marmot one!

Maybe you should find a better job, you might need it...:bawling:

Keep firing away, I'll keep hitting them back at ya! CHUMP...

Isn't a marmot, some sort of small rodent/varmit. I think it is ! ....In this case the coat fits the animal. BTW who give a $hit about a coat, anyone can go buy one. If you want to impress everyone, show me your paid off..

1 House
2 Car
3 Student loan
4 Cash in the bank
5 401k Balance.

You might get the respect you deserve. But OMG, a coat!!! wtf, That's rich...

The 1108 leadership has shown just that....LEADERSHIP....in a tough fight, where issue's of principal are concerned. Whatever way they go in this battle the MIGS will follow. These guy's got brains and balls vs knee JERK reactions. I have nothing but respect for the restraint they have shown thus far. Now go out and play with your little beaverbuddies, and naw on a log. I left one for ya in the pond.

 

[AceCrackshot]

There will be no strike. There has been a distressing lack of ballzac amongst the senior FLOPS pilots from Day One. Now, senior pilots are all that are left.

So, enjoy your impeding 12 day pairing with Engine Plug Ed and pals.

 

[cherry20's]

Isn't a marmot, some sort of small rodent/varmit. I think it is ! ....In this case the coat fits the animal. BTW who give a $hit about a coat, anyone can go buy one. If you want to impress everyone, show me your paid off..

1 House
2 Car
3 Student loan
4 Cash in the bank
5 401k Balance.

You might get the respect you deserve. But OMG, a coat!!! wtf, That's rich...

You obviously missed the analogy I was trying to make Bill... Its not about what kind of coat I bought, but what company gave me the jacket to wear!

They are kinda expensive though!!! haha


Oh yeah, Marmot's are large ground squirrels just FYI... Gonna go get a nut now!

Flame on:uzi:

 

[GerryG]

There will be no strike. There has been a distressing lack of ballzac amongst the senior FLOPS pilots from Day One. Now, senior pilots are all that are left.

So, enjoy your impeding 12 day pairing with Engine Plug Ed and pals.

Any experienced bartender knows that when two men square off at the bar, its not the one thats talken you have to worry about, its the one thats not. I'm not hearen a lot of talken out of Flops pilots on this board right now.

My bet is that our guys will not back down.

 

[jetwash]

Any experienced bartender knows that when two men square off at the bar, its not the one thats talken you have to worry about, its the one thats not. I'm not hearen a lot of talken out of Flops pilots on this board right now.

My bet is that our guys will not back down.

Just waiting orders from our leadership. After all, we chose them to do the talking for us.

 

[shanes123]

Just waiting orders from our leadership. After all, we chose them to do the talking for us.

Better sit down and relax..your gonna have a long wait..my guess is no strike and bye bye peak travel season..Once again Ricci plays Flops union like a fool..Dont you guys get tired of that tune???

 

[fracjack]

Nmb

The NMB makes the rules here. Now it is possible but unlikely Ricci could influence the NMB, we know politians and Gov officials are not above being bribed.
FLOPS will likely get through the holiday season without a looming strike and neither side can do anything about it.
Mediation is just that, a 3rd party who makes determinations and I know the 1108 would love to change the rules as would the company as they both have in the past.
Kinda like politics.....are you voting democrat or republican? You get to pick the lesser of the two evils if you're going to vote.
The NMB decides these extended negotiations and the 1108 with their lack of experience led many to believe a 30day cooling off period was imminent. Now the troupes are restless and it only appears the company has won.
Nobody is winning at this point but make no doubt that Ricci is still plotting strategies to somehow dissolve this company and start something else with the Phenoms and refurbed BJ's but he is not that smart.

 

[dime line]

The NMB makes the rules here. Now it is possible but unlikely Ricci could influence the NMB, we know politians and Gov officials are not above being bribed.
FLOPS will likely get through the holiday season without a looming strike and neither side can do anything about it.
Mediation is just that, a 3rd party who makes determinations and I know the 1108 would love to change the rules as would the company as they both have in the past.
Kinda like politics.....are you voting democrat or republican? You get to pick the lesser of the two evils if you're going to vote.

The NMB decides these extended negotiations and the 1108 with their lack of experience led many to believe a 30day cooling off period was imminent

. Now the troupes are restless and it only appears the company has won.
Nobody is winning at this point but make no doubt that Ricci is still plotting strategies to somehow dissolve this company and start something else with the Phenoms and refurbed BJ's but he is not that smart.

30day cooling off was imminent, untill the NMB decided that negotiations still have a glimmer of hope, so back to the table. 1108 has no say in the matter, its all on the NMB at this point.

 

[fracjack]

Do another dime line

What is so hard to understand?

Requesting a proffer of arbitration either side can refuse is when 30 day cooling off period is imminent and either lockout and/or strike or selfhelp can occur.The mediator decides. The 1108 simply laid their cards on the table of what their position is after a 30day cooling off period and the diehard followers are chompin at the bit to retaliate against the company.

When you follow it's hard to see what's happening when the view ahead never changes. You blindly hope you've made the right choice.

IMO 1108 is the correct choice considering the company's actions. It's too bad that a company can treat their first line employees so poorly that it brings unionization.

 

[dime line]

What is so hard to understand?

Requesting a proffer of arbitration either side can refuse is when 30 day cooling off period is imminent and either lockout and/or strike or selfhelp can occur.The mediator decides. The 1108 simply laid their cards on the table of what their position is after a 30day cooling off period and the diehard followers are chompin at the bit to retaliate against the company.

When you follow it's hard to see what's happening when the view ahead never changes. You blindly hope you've made the right choice.

IMO 1108 is the correct choice considering the company's actions. It's too bad that a company can treat their first line employees so poorly that it brings unionization.

I do get it. I think we were all ready to do the "Request for arbitration" untill yesterday the Mediator decided we should negotiate some more (not what he said 2 weeks ago). The Mediator has been more of a wild card than Ricci, it seems.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Better sit down and relax..your gonna have a long wait..my guess is no strike and bye bye peak travel season..Once again Ricci plays Flops union like a fool..Dont you guys get tired of that tune???

Nobody is playing the FLOPs union. The NMB called for the extra bargaining session. What are we supposed to do?

Are we tired? Hell yes!

FYI, busiest month for FLOPs in the past has been March as I understand it.

 

[Frac Cap]

Any experienced bartender knows that when two men square off at the bar, its not the one thats talken you have to worry about, its the one thats not. I'm not hearen a lot of talken out of Flops pilots on this board right now.

My bet is that our guys will not back down.

very perceptive, and accurate. Management can read our minds but we don't have the ability to read theirs. I have not been giving them anything to read which would give them a hint if they are on the right path for a passable contract. What I can say is from what I hear, they are waaaay off. A phased in increase that wouldn't even give us a 4% net for the year is laughable. This is proof that Kenn's plan is to not negotiate in good faith. I believe he wants to drag this out as long as the mediator will allow this dog and pony show to continue, and to keep us the lowest paid fractional with, or without a contract. And when we vote the first joke of an offer down, it's a bonus for him. He continues to get his cheep labor while this process drags on.

For management, I know when people talk to you they say one thing. They say that they are just happy to have a job. Well, when those same people talk out on the road, they say something completely opposite. But what is said, is that if a joke of a pay package manages to somehow pass, there will be no favors. If it is broke, it is broke where it is found broke.

I want this company to succeed just as much as anyone else. This could be a first class company, we are all professionals. Stop stalling and get it done. Now is the time to start leading.