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Answerguy

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Tuesday April 9, 11:31 am Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: Flight Options
Flight Options Announces Factory-Supported Pricing
Innovative Pricing Strategy Announced Following Merger With Raytheon Travel Air
CLEVELAND--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 9, 2002--Flight Options, a leading provider of fractional shares in jet aircraft, today announced Factory-Supported Pricing(TM), a groundbreaking pricing program unique to the private air travel industry. The company announced its new pricing strategy shortly after finalizing a merger with Raytheon Travel Air, which closed on March 21st.

Flight Options has been a pioneer in the fractional jet industry, offering shares of pre-owned aircraft at a substantial cost savings over competitive programs. With the addition of new aircraft programs to its product line, the company continues its history of innovative pricing, unveiling the Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) plan.

According to Flight Options' CEO Kenn Ricci, the concept of Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) was developed to reflect the real cost of operating a new plane -- taking into consideration the aircraft's factory warranty for the airframe, engines and avionics. ``Newer aircraft are less expensive to maintain,'' explained Ricci. ``Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) is simply an honest way to price a fractional program that utilizes new aircraft.''

The lower maintenance costs reflected in Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) result in significant savings over comparable plans using identical aircraft. For example, the hourly operating cost for a Hawker 800XP in the first year is $1390/hour with Flight Options' Factory-Supported Pricing(TM). The same aircraft offered through a competitor costs $1828/hour -- a 24% difference in the first year alone.

``If you're purchasing a new plane, we believe you shouldn't have to pay the same price in year-one as you would in year-five,'' said Rich Heckman, Vice President of Marketing for Flight Options. ``Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) is structured to fit the age and warranty status of the plane.''

Ricci added, ``Flight Options is the first fractional program to quantify the age intangible. Until now, all fractional programs have charged the same for aircraft in its program, regardless of age. Traditionally fractional owners have been paying a price for ''new aircraft,`` but are then flown in aircraft that are seven or eight years old. Flight Options' Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) program assures owners that they will never fly in an aircraft more than five years old.''

Ricci emphasized that the company's new and pre-owned fleets will operate separately. ``Customers who buy new will fly only in new aircraft,'' he said. ``After sixty months, the aircraft will become part of our pre-owned fleet. This concept of fleet purity is also an advantage not available in competitive programs.''

``It made a great deal of sense for us to bridge the sales options between pre-owned and new aircraft,'' added Darnell Martens, Assistant to the Chairman and the company's head of strategic planning. ``We think that our Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) approach will cause a fundamental shift in the industry.''

Martens said that there are compelling reasons for customers to choose either type of plan, whether new or pre-owned. ``Offering a broad product line gives our prospective owners more choices,'' stated Martens. ``Pre-owned remains an attractive option because a buyer can get a larger plane for the same purchase price as a new, smaller aircraft -- or they can spend about 35% less for the same type of plane pre-owned versus new. On the other hand, with our Factory-Supported Pricing(TM), new aircraft cost less to operate because of warranties associated with new aircraft and our new-aircraft owners utilize a fleet that will never be more than five years old.''

For further flexibility, Flight Options programs are designed so that a customer can migrate from one aircraft type to another, giving an owner access to the entire fleet.

To meet the demands of its rapid growth, Flight Options is expanding its state-of-the-art Operations Control Center (OCC), which monitors every aspect of flight operations. The original design was modeled after the control centers of NASA's Houston center and Delta Airlines' facilities in Atlanta, Georgia. Phase II, which was recently completed, doubled the size of the previous center. Once construction is complete, scheduled for Summer 2003, the new OCC will be five times larger than the present facility and will accommodate a fleet of more than 500 aircraft.

Flight Options will place $1.7 billion worth of new aircraft orders, including a minimum of 105 aircraft on order with Raytheon Aircraft Company. The company has also committed to 25 Fairchild-Dornier Envoy 7's for delivery beginning in 2004. Flight Options will also continue to actively acquire aircraft in the open market for its pre-owned aircraft product lines.

Founded in 1998, Flight Options pioneered the concept of offering shares in previously owned jets. This allowed the company to present a cost savings of 35% on comparable programs offered by their competitors, opening private jet travel to a broader audience. With the addition of new jets to its fleet, the company continues to be an innovator in the industry with its highly competitive Factory-Supported Pricing(TM) plan. Flight Options offers fractional shares in its fleet of over 200 aircraft, which includes the King Air B200, CitationJet, Beechjet 400A, Citation V, Citation III, Hawker 800A, Hawker 800XP, Falcon 50, Challenger 601 and Gulfstream IV.



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Contact:

Flight Options
Heather Kula Dynes, 216/261-3500
or
Stern Public Relations
Gail Fein, 216/464-4850
 
Good vs. Bad

Do you see this as a good thing, or a bad thing? I can see how all the RTA owners will be default be members of this program since they were all a part of a new plane program, and a way to entice people to order new planes vs old ones, but, is this a way to show more division within the same program? Or just a marketing ploy to get both the people who only want new, while still keeping the costs down for pre-owned?
 
I think its a great thing! Its a good deal for people who want to own a new airplane at 24% less cost per hour than the competition. Also if your looking for a previously enjoyed jet you save money, up to 35% on the sales price but pay more per hour. Flight Options is on track to grow like crazy!
 
FYI, all new-hires now go directly into the RTA King Air 200s. Not that it's good or bad, but if you come to class, you can expect that.
 
Be careful Answerguy- As I consider my options for future employment amongst the fractionals, I have learned of numerous concerns and uncertainty about the future potential of Flight Options. My research shows that both Flight Options and Travel Air only sold 50% less aircraft in 2001 than in the year 2000. It appears that NetJets sales increased in 2001 over 2000. Look at past issues of Professional Pilot and Business & Comercial Aviation magazines.

I'm not saying that Flight Options will fail and that NetJets will succeed, I'm just saying that after what we just went through with Avolar, we should all be very cautious about "predicting the future." I occasionally fly some "suits" for a large investment company and they say that Flight Options has a long way to go before they will be seriously considered by significant investors. The same folks said that for their money, they bet that 5 - 10 years from now that NetJets will still be growing.

Good Luck Friends-

RJ
 
I have independent confirmation of clap's info. New hires will go to the right seat of BE-200 unless there is a specific need in another aircraft. This is from EG himself
 
Frac Daddy,

I know it because I'm living proof!! :D All new-hires go right seat in the King Air. The movement should be fairly quick though. Shouldn't be too long before we can bid into the right seat of a jet, or left seat of the KA. Neither of those options would be a bad thing.


Flydog,

Actually, there is a need right now for pilots in the other aircraft, but with the merger and all, the company is letting the current King Air pilots bid into the jets, and putting new-hires in the 200. I agree with that, it's all a seniority based system. Let the existing pilots bid what they can hold, and let the newbies fly what's left over. The class prior to us had guys go to the Hawker, CitationJet and Beechjets, but that was prior to the official merger. They couldn't put those pilots in the King Air because they weren't officially on property. Now that they are, all newbies will fly them. This news shouldn't surprise anyone though. You might be flying lower and slower than the jet guys, but it's still a pretty cool company to be working for.
 
With over a 105 jets on order for the next 2 years even if you start on a King Air you will probably get onto a jet fairly quickly.
Plus you will be paid the same as the guy starting on the Jet.
Don't worry too much about it just get the job and enjoy the flying.
 
HEY RJL

RJL-why all the negative posts about Flight Options? How do you get off by comparing Flight Options to Avalor? That is like comparing a BMW to an Yugo! You should ask your suits that you fly if they consider Raytheon a serious investor. I would buy as much stock in Flight Options as i could, if i could.
Come on RJL be a little bit more optimistic about things. Did you not pass the sim ride when you interviewed at Flight Options or something? Why all the negitivity?
:)
 
No negativity my friend, just reality. I've been caught up in the aviation company hype and jet wash for too many years not to want to check and confirm claims and potential of a "bright and shiny future."

When it comes down to it, the money has to be there for the company to succeed and grow. Avolar is proof that talent and optimism aren't enough to make a company successful. From the postings of some of my brothers on this site, it seems like Flight Options may have the talent. Financially, they will need some help to keep going.

Raytheon had been trying to sell Travel Air for several years before they finally got saved by Flight Options. I was told that NetJets was approached but didn't want anything to do with them-- The Raytheon aircraft was good, the fractional prgram was bad. Ask yourself how Flight Options can afford to combine companies, pay high salaries, charge low rates and still make a profit. It has been many years since I took economics, but I still know that it will be tough for them to succeed and last- Not impossible, but tough.

I was told earlier this month that Executive Jet is the only company that ever made a profit in the Fractional business. I hope to meet you at an FBO in the future when you can prove me wrong.

Good luck All-

RJ
 
Glad to be here!!

Frac,

Thanks for the welcome, it's a pleasure to be here. Coming from a jet, things will happen very slowly in the King Air, but everyone I've talked to that's flown them really likes them. With all the PICs in the 200s moving into the jets, and the SICs changing seats, the movement will be quick in the props. That's good for everyone in the King Air program. And there's something to be said for flying all new airplanes. For example, "Hey, flying new airplanes will be pretty sweet!!"

Looking forward to IOE in my new airplane, and looking forward to working with everyone at Options!!

Safe skies all.....

Clap
 
Question to new FlOpt hired

I see that FO has started new classes. That's very good news and congratulate all the new hired guys. Could any give an answer IF in these classes are any of the former RTA pool pilots? OR IF FO plans to call for a class date any of the former RTA pool pilots? Thank you and hope one day I will join you.
 
There were no new hires in the last class of RTAs. The Indoc was new hires at FO and a quick three day Indoc for some of the existing RTA pilots. Nobody made any mention of an RTA pool while I was in the schoolhouse. I didn't even know one existed. If you have any friends at RTA or FO, I'd suggest you have them bring in another resume. Or try calling Eric G. directly, he might know something about a pool. He's a great HR guy, he'll do his best to help you out. Not too sure if he'd know anything about the RTA system yet though, he's got his hands full with the Options group right now. Good luck, I hope you find something out soon.....

Clap
 
Can the FO pilots please give me the scoop on the interview process?

I.E. - Questions asked, any sim ride, who conducts the interviews, wait time between process and hire or not hired.

Thanks!
 
Wow....good luck Flight Options! Seems like you are starting to turn up the heat on the competition.
 
Check the details

This great pricing plan that FLOPS came up with sounds wonderful. Too bad it only applies to 1 thats right 1 plane. They don't get any more NEW Hawker 800XP's for 15 months. EJA is getting them all. Talk about bate and switch! Look before you leap!!
 
"This great pricing plan that FLOPS came up with sounds wonderful. Too bad it only applies to 1 thats right 1 plane. They don't get any more NEW Hawker 800XP's for 15 months. EJA is getting them all. Talk about bate and switch! Look before you leap!!"

If it's a used airplane, it will be sold as such. I bet EJA never sells a "new" share of a used airplane, do they? Oh wait, they do. Is that bait and switch, or just good business practice since it's EJA?

You seem to have some real self esteem issues. You were the kid in school that put others down to make yourself feel good, right?
 
You know what I love about being a 121 pilot???? The comaradery and friendship shared between all the pilots; regardless of their company or background. I work for butthole airlines, inc. I jumpseat on about every major you can think of on a regular basis as I commute. I get nothing (okay, every now and again I get a jerk, but I usually win him over anyway) but friendly smiles and hearty handshakes followed by a very generous "welcome aboard" We don't flame each other, we don't compare how much money we make or what percent of the market our particular company is holding. Know why???? Because it doesn't matter. He's there and I'm here, it could very easily have gone the other way. A guy flying for United isn't any better than a guy flying for American - they both had resumes in at both airlines, fate just worked in a particular way.

I've been reading posts about the frax and am amazed at what jerks you guys are to each other. EJA vs. FO is about as substantial as East Coast vs. West Coast. Do you treat all of you fellow professionals this way????

You EJA guys with the big ego's. I got news for ya. 100 years ago Ford was revolutionizing auto-making. They were king; everyone was trying to model their techniques and their product. If you have noticed; for quite some time now they have shared the auto market with plenty of competition and it's is a VERY cut-throat business because of all the different options available. EJA isn't now, nor will they ever be, the only game in town. There are plenty of buyers seeking plenty of options (there's that word again) so just chill out.

Everyone else. Let's remeber that we all share a common dream, a common goal, and a common business. Brand X vs. Brand Y belongs on the boardroom table, let's leave it there.
 
I would like to see the pricing for all 5yrs of the deal to see what the true comparison is. Just something to think about.
Every frac pilot that I've met is respectful to me and me to them. Some of us are just amazed at one of the companies advertising practices. If you seen the adds you would understand!
 
"I would like to see the pricing for all 5yrs of the deal to see what the true comparison is. Just something to think about."

Go to the Flight Options website, it's all there.

"Every frac pilot that I've met is respectful to me and me to them. Some of us are just amazed at one of the companies advertising practices. If you seen the adds you would understand!"

I must admit that most pilots I run into on the road, regardless of company, are good guys/gals. Some have a major ego, most do not. Some of us are amazed at how superior some of the EJA folk think they are to everybody else, because EJA is "the biggest". Notice I said SOME, not all.

One question I have for you is.....how does Warren Buffet know exactly what situation(financial and otherwise) all the other fractionals are in? He MUST know, because he comments on it to the media. Specifics that he could know nothing about due to the fact that certain information is just not public.
 
Good idea

I think what Ricci has done is a good idea but I only wonder if in the end the pricing is virtually the same either new or old. If the pricing comes out the same why would you want to buy into the pre-owned when you will pay the same for new. I have not done my homework on what the price difference is but I am sure it is not much at the end of the day. The only reason I can think an owner would go into the pre-owned is once they retire out of the new program after 5 years?

I guess to sum up my confusion I would say that if I am going to pay more up front with less maint. cost or less up front with more maint. cost then why would I go pre-owned? Did I make any sense with that?
 
I might be wrong, but here's what I see as the difference.

1) People who fly A LOT (1/2 to 1/4 share people)- want lower hourly rates, up front cost not a big deal because they're pretty well off anyway. So pay more up front, and have lower hourly costs. Makes that quick flight out to BFE more likely.

2) People who do not fly that much (1/16 people) - want all the perks of flying in their own plane (larger cabin w/ FA) can afford the lower up front cost of a used mid-size/large cabin (than a new one per say) and since they don't fly much the hourly rates being higher isn't as much of an issue.

I think the real difference is who is the customer?
What/how often are they going to be flying?

And most importantly, how do we differentiate (sp?) our RTA customers who bought "new" shares, and our existing FTO cutomers who bought a "used" plane because it was cheaper. This is a way to keep the original cutomers happy. Who knows though. It could also be that they're running out of good "bargins" on the used market, and have now decided that it would just be easier to offer new planes too since less "shopping" is required for the actual aircraft.

But what do I know. :cool:
 
Good point.

Armypilot,

Good point. When comparing new vs. used in the same airframe; why not just by the new airframe? You are assuming that it all comes out to be equal. A quarter share in a pre-owned Beechjet is 35% cheaper than a new one. The year one hourly operating cost is only 16% more expensive than the new Beechjet. The hourly operating cost of the new aircraft will increase until it equals the pre-owned aircraft in year five. The pre-owned aircraft is still cheaper. What we are doing is simply giving some relief to our new aircraft owners. Hope I was not too confusing. After all, I am just a rank-and-file pilot; not a CEO.;)

Frac Daddy
 
I guess Ricci didn't think the one Netjets published LAST YEAR was unbiased enough.

They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. ;)

PS...Take a guess where Options first SIIs came from.
PSS...Another guess where Avolar's HS125 came from.
Same answer for both.
 
Dedicated crewing

I love the blurb about Dedicated Crewing...


"Does the provider use dedicated crewing? As in the military, certain providers maintain a policy whereby one captain always flies the same aircraft...not merely the same type of aircraft, but literally the same jet each timeout. The pilots are intimately familiar with their jets avionics, attitude and "feel" because thats the only jet they fly. This familiarity only further ensures the safety of each flight and the security and the comfort of those flying."

---How about a standardized fleet...dosent THAT contribute to safety in a way that dedicated crewing could NEVER do? How about each and every aircraft has the same exact equipment...all NEW equipment.

---and like the Military that dosent care about cost of operation, FO uses dedicated crewing. The military....home of the cost overrun...home of the bloated operating budgets...where no one is out to make a profit...

LEts face it, dedicated crewing is great if you fly a bunch of jalloppies or hundred million dollar fighter jets or bombers...but in airlines across the world, as well as the better fractional providers that fly a standardized fleet, dedicated crewing is not necessary for a safe operation. Not necessary, not practical, not even a very SMART idea.

Dedicated crewing is, in FO's specific case, an easy way for them to make sure they have a safe operation since EVERY aircraft has different equipment.

;-)

:cool:
 

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