FLIGHT OPTIONS (and only Flight Options) related PILOT discussion

[cougar12]

You need to go back to school and get a degree in finance. You fall into the same category as what NJW has said. You had the opportunity to invest in your career as NJW continues to say, and invest properly to get the skills necessary for you to run a large company.

Perhaps then you could earn the payday you desire by taking the responsibility of running a large multimillion dollar company.

Since you chose not to invest properly in your finance degree and only became a pilot, you are going to have to suffer with CEOs that did invest in their careers by getting their finance degree that make multi-million dollar salaries, and then buying airplanes to give you something to fly while you dream of their multi-million dollar paydays.

Then how do you explain your MORON of a boss (MS) and his B.S. degree in Transportation. So far all I can see he is qualified to do is pave roads in Ohio. He probably loose money doing that too. You are a complete IDIOT! I savor the thought of you being tossed out on your ear with the rest of your cronies.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

thread full of dumb@sses

MODS--
Please either remove known troll B-19 from the boards, or at minimum, the many OFF TOPIC rants on this thread, and the 2nd tier trolls not intelligent enough to ignore and stop quoting B-19's inflammatory posts:smash:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Censorship?

MODS--
Please either remove known troll B-19 from the boards, or at minimum, the many OFF TOPIC rants on this thread, and the 2nd tier trolls not intelligent enough to ignore and stop quoting B-19's inflammatory posts:smash:

That is called censorship.

I have a right to voice my opposition and personal experience to the destructive forces of what unions have done to my career.

To me, the dumba$$e$ here are the ones that pound the union drum with complete disregard for their counterparts that don't want a union, the non-pilot employees that will have a reduced payroll to pay for the increased pilot pay due to the CBA, the shareholders and owners that will pay for the increased costs incurred because of a union and the forced intervention into company management that interferes with progress and ultimately safety.

I dislike your opinion a lot more than you dislike mine. The only reason a union comes on the property is because there are a small group of pilots that think they can run the company better than management, yet refuse to become managers themselves and would rather beat the union drum because it's easier.

I've been laid off twice due to union action and inaction, and have found happiness in a non-union carrier that has the highest QOL I've ever seen.

You can take your censorship, and shove it. In my opinion, it's the union mongers that need to be censored, but I would never ask or demand that because it's not the American way. I like the quote feature because its easier for me to keep track of the many people that write on this board that think they get it but don't.

If you don't like what I write, place me on ignore. It's very easy and I encourage it. Besides, you aren't the audience I want to speak with anyway. The people I want to reach are those that haven 't experienced a layoff and don't understand the turmoil unions bring internally to any company, not just an airline.

The turmoil that is happening right now at FLOPS is typical of union activity. Look at this board and how many don't understand the process and whine and whine. It doesn't stop on this board, it carries into daily life and a becomes a distraction on the flight deck..

The NJ guys got a good contract and have touted the relationship with 1108, and now that they have what they want are telling the IBT to get lost which will fracture the strength of the union.

It's always turmoil with unions, you can't escape it. That's why I say, be careful what you ask for. In my opinion, if you want to fly for a union carrier, go find one but don't bring one in and disrupt everybody else because you are selfish and think you know more than the people that started the company.

If you do know more, start your own. Leave the rest of the innocent non-pilot employees, management, aircraft owners and stockholders out of it.

That being said, your voice is nothing but garbage to me but you have every right to spit out anything you want.

There are a handful of folks on this board that are constantly in disagreement with me. If I had to place a bet, none of them have been forced out of their careers by a union action or have managed at a high level in a union enviroment at a large carrier (Chief Pilot or above) of which I've done both. This glaring lack of experience is apparent in their posts.

Censorship? Not a chance.

 

[waka]

because of a union and the forced intervention into company management that interferes with progress and ultimately safety.

it has been shown to you over and over of how the 1108's Safety Committee has increased safety at Flight Options in opposition to management that interferes with it. you haven't disputed this because you can't

I dislike your opinion a lot more than you dislike mine.

how do you know?

The only reason a union comes on the property is because there are a small group of pilots that think they can run the company better than management, yet refuse to become managers themselves and would rather beat the union drum because it's easier.

that "small group" was 67% and it was not to run the company, but to protect the pilot group against an incompetent, deceptive and unscrupulous management.

You can take your censorship, and shove it. In my opinion, it's the union mongers that need to be censored, but I would never ask or demand that because it's not the American way.

It is not censorship if a message board mod silences a troll. See? You are a troll.

BTW; the right to organize and collectively bargain is the American way too.

Besides, you aren't the audience I want to speak with anyway. The people I want to reach are those that haven 't experienced a layoff and don't understand the turmoil unions bring internally to any company, not just an airline.

your hopes are too high if you think that you're actually getting to anyone. with you not replying to obviously valid points and your overall idiocy, you suck at your little crusade....no matter how much you delude yourself into thinking you make a difference. you don't.

The turmoil that is happening right now at FLOPS is typical of union activity.

no, the turmoil is from FLOPS management and this is another point that you won't and can't refute.

In my opinion, if you want to fly for a union carrier, go find one but don't bring one in and disrupt everybody else because you are selfish and think you know more than the people that started the company.

What is truly disrupting is FLOPS' current management. (which by the way, did not "start the company" (shows how much you don't know)). The pilots, along with other nonpilot employees, for all intents and purposes, built the company. The current management is just a Johnny come lately that is wrecking the company.

All that aside, it is a right to organize under the RLA and if the majority votes in a union, then it isn't "disrupting everybody" else because "everybody" is now the union.

If you do know more, start your own. Leave the rest of the innocent non-pilot employees, management, aircraft owners and stockholders out of it.

Innocent management?? :smash: You are naive!

Also, there are many non pilot employees that support the pilot's efforts.

That being said, your voice is nothing but garbage to me but you have every right to spit out anything you want.

Your voice is garbage to everyone else except for a small group of scabs that only care about themselves. I haven't exactly seen any posts of support for your moron crusade.

This glaring lack of experience is apparent in their posts.

You only say this because you ass kissed your way to a middle manager position and you're a wannabe scab.

The true professionals are defending the profession from management's assault. You wouldn't know about professionalism though. Just because you were paid to fly at one time doesn't mean that you were a professional pilot.

No matter how much you congratulate yourself on your so-called experience with unions, you know little about unions and labor management relations. Crawl back to your cowardly middle manager suck-up hole.

You can come out once you can present even basically cogent points.

 

[Fozzy]

It's clear that RS blamed the union for a large chunk of that publically. The fact that NJ has made money for a couple of quarters does not mean that the contract is successful. The true measure will be when the going gets tough.

Ya it was so bad for them to operate under 05 TA they came back and gave us more money in the 07 IBB.

I am done with paid hacks.

 

[fischman]

I sure hope NetJets will be able to afford the new $200,000,000 facility. Especially since they have to pay all of us greedy pilots.

BTW, Directly from Jim Christiansen's mouth: NJA had a very good Jan and Feb. The MOST profitable Jan and Feb in company history. Well done everyone. :beer:

 

[fischman]

That is called censorship.

I have a right to voice my opposition and personal experience to the destructive forces of what unions have done to my career.

Guess what? You CAN get censored. This message board is NOT public property.

You have a right to voice your opinions. The Moderators have a right to censor you or me.

 

[fischman]

I dislike your opinion a lot more than you dislike mine. The only reason a union comes on the property is because there are a small group of pilots that think they can run the company better than management, yet refuse to become managers themselves and would rather beat the union drum because it's easier.

Ummmm.... No.

The reason Unions get voted in to a company is because the employees are being treated unfairly by BAD management. The FLOPS pilots voiced their opinion strongly. The Union has no desire to run the company. They want a fair wage, safe work rules, and time at home with their families. Flight Options has not been willing to provide that.

 

[fischman]

The turmoil that is happening right now at FLOPS is typical of union activity. Look at this board and how many don't understand the process and whine and whine. It doesn't stop on this board, it carries into daily life and a becomes a distraction on the flight deck..

Ummmm..... No.

The turmoil happening at FLOPS started LOOONNNGGG before IBT1108 was there. It is typical of management being disrespectful, uncaring, and arrogant.

 

[dime line]

Ummmm..... No.

The turmoil happening at FLOPS started LOOONNNGGG before IBT1108 was there. It is typical of management being disrespectful, uncaring, and arrogant.

Its typical of B19 types