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Flight Instructors forced to wear epaulates

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I think it's the business of all professional pilots. The majority of us pilots wear the same white shirts & shoulder boards and the general public recognizes that as the standard pilot uniform. The public cannot tell the difference when they see a seasoned 747 captain in his uniform compared to seeing an instructor from your local flight academy in his uniform. Same uniform.
It's common practice at most companies (including my airline) that crewmembers are not permitted to wear the uniform outside of duty, including running into the supermarket or other business establishments on your way home from work, etc...
When some knucklehead is zipping around town on his motorcycle carrying a McDonald's bag while wearing a pilot uniform, it reflects negatively on all of us. It looks unprofessional, mainly because it's something you typically don't expect to see. We're not only representing our specific company when we're in uniform, but we're also representing our profession.
The public already has a somewhat negative image of pilots. Riding around on motorcycles in uniform seems pompous and is in bad taste.
Put on a riding jacket like 90% of all other motorcycle riders do. Not wearing a jacket to cover his uniform leads me to believe he was taking extra measures to be sure everybody he passes sees that he's a pilot.

Exactly Midnight Flyer. And actually that's the benefit to taking off your uniform after you get off work. You don't have to represent an image anymore, you're free to walk around in your underwear if that's your thing.:eek:
 
What if you are a charter or corporate pilot on-duty, and the PAX requests some extra catering? Do you take off your uniform to get the stock or catering? Not all flying is 121 in an airline terminal with a team of people helping you prepare for a flight. Your lack of job diversity / experience is reflected in your comments CX880. You should take Avbug’s advice.
 
What if you are a charter or corporate pilot on-duty, and the PAX requests some extra catering? Do you take off your uniform to get the stock or catering? Not all flying is 121 in an airline terminal with a team of people helping you prepare for a flight. e.

Yea I know, everything is done for you. You just put the AP on.

Where are they requesting catering at? The local 7/11?
 
You don't have to represent an image anymore, you're free to walk around in your underwear if that's your thing.
Are you suggesting now that the alleged instructor go to McDonalds on his motorcycle in his underwear, in order to protect your reputation? My, my. You are arrogant.

Not wearing a jacket to cover his uniform leads me to believe he was taking extra measures to be sure everybody he passes sees that he's a pilot.
Interesting. Not wearing a jacket leads one to believe, in fact to know, that he wasn't wearing a jacket. The motive is unknown. One who engages in assumption engages in an unprofessional act.

I think it's the business of all professional pilots.
Simply because you think you should stick your nose in someone else's business, really doesn't make it your business.

You have a real beef with it, take it up with the employer of the individual, or contact him directly. Whining about it here changes nothing, but does make you look like a first class idiot. Mind your own business.

The problem here is that you can't take it up with the alleged instructor's employer, because the original poster doesn't even know that the person he saw on the bike was a flight instructor. That person could have been a regional pilot, a fractional pilot, a corporate pilot, or may not have been a pilot at all.

Moreover, the employer isn't known, nor are the employer's policies.

My employer has no policies regarding uniform wear off duty. None. Some wear their uniform home, and others won't even ride home in their uniform in an airline seat. The employer doesn't care when they're off duty, but does prescribe that when in transit to and from work, they WILL wear their uniform. This includes deadheading, commuting, jumpseating, and other forms of travel that may take place. The uniform is worn.

Another employer, for other reasons, requires no wear of uniforms at any time. That employer also requires a change of identity when going to work; the polar opposite. It's forbidden to wear a tee shirt off duty that identifies that employer. Quite frankly, I'm more than happy to abide whatever the employer requires, and do so. So far as what any other pilot wears, I couldn't care less.
The public already has a somewhat negative image of pilots. Riding around on motorcycles in uniform seems pompous and is in bad taste.
What a truly idiotic statement.

Are you asserting that somehow a motorcycle gives a pilot a bad image? What if we require all pilots to ride around in the back of a limousine? No other form of travel, of course, because that would demean the profession. Is that okay? No more crew vans. No more FBO rides to the hotel. No more taxi's. God help the pilot who is seen within 50' of a motorcycle. What is it about the blessed motorcycle that you find damages your personal sense of self worth?

Quite frankly, I know a number of pilots who ride motorcycles. Contrary to the assertion others have made here that doing so is strictly a sign of inexperience, these individuals fly as captains, first officers, and flight engineers internationally on large, complex turbojet airplanes...all have substantial experience, and all can afford other forms of transportation...but prefer their Harley to a pickup truck, BMW, or corvette. That you think it demeans you, for any of us to ride our motorcycles to and from work, to and from the grocery store, to through the drive-in at McDonalds, is YOUR problem. Not theirs, and not mine.

We're not only representing our specific company when we're in uniform, but we're also representing our profession.
When I put on a uniform, I couldn't give a stuff about you, or your profession. My uniform represents my work clothes. The costume I put on to go to work. I go to work not so you can get paid, but so I can get paid. Quite frankly, I don't care if you like my uniform, or the way I wear my uniform. You're not doing my job, and you're not collecting my paycheck. Your opinion on my uniform, or anyone else's for that matter, is therefore meaningless.

Your arrogance in assuming that you have any say in the matter, however, and your foolishness in sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, is well noted, and speaks quite poorly of you.

Yea I know, everything is done for you. You just put the AP on.

Where are they requesting catering at? The local 7/11?

You really don't know. Obviously. It's "Yeah," by the way.

I've left the airplane to go get catering for passengers or to stock an airplane on many occasions. It may be a quick bite to eat that the passenger has requested. It may be a specific kind of beer. It may be newspapers that aren't found at an FBO. It may be mini-booze of a particular kind that the client particularly likes. It may be that the client's dog threw up, and now we need more napkins. It's really not important why.

I've gone to restaurants in uniform while on duty. I've gone to 7-11 in uniform while on duty. I've gone to liquor stores while on duty, and in uniform. I don't drink. I may not have been going for food for myself. I've done all sorts of things for the company and for the client. I once went to a hardware store in uniform to get a roll of masking tape. I needed the tape to clean the dog hair out of the airplane, that the celebrity client's dog had left behind. I've gone tool shopping, gone into pet stores, picked up food and catering, and have delivered tennis rackets to movie stars (that they'd left behind on the airplane). I've done it in rental cars, busses, vans, limousines, and any other transportation I had. I would be more than happy to go do it on a motorcycle.

All one has to do is turn on the autopilot, you say? Are you actually a pilot, or do you only play with computer games and other such "simulators?"
 
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How do you know he was a pilot? You do realize that many other professions wear epaulates. Heck, the van driver that picked me up the other day had 4 stripes. Wonder how long her upgrade was?
 
Take it off lol

Ive yet to see any surgeon or cop walking around the walmart in their uniform.

It's the professional thing to do, it's about showing a positive image.

Many people out there, despite what has happened the last decade with the profession, still respect pilots. That's pretty much all there is left of this profession. They have an image of us as professionals. That gets tarnshied as we walk around walmart holding chips and beer or driving our motorcycles in full uniform clutching a McDonalds bag.

Nothing against McDonalds, and nothing against motorcycles.


you should just hang it up now.....you're making yourself look stupid and unprofessional.

Id grab macdonalds at dtw and go fly to japan. Wanna call me unprofessional?
 
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you should just hang it up now.....you're making yourself look stupid and unprofessional.

Id grab macdonalds at dtw and go fly to japan. Wanna call me unprofessional?

How can you make yourself look unprofessional on flightinfo?? Stupid is as stupid does. I have nothing against Mcdonalds, for the last time!
 
When I put on a uniform, I couldn't give a stuff about you, or your profession. My uniform represents my work clothes. The costume I put on to go to work. I go to work not so you can get paid, but so I can get paid. Quite frankly, I don't care if you like my uniform, or the way I wear my uniform. You're not doing my job, and you're not collecting my paycheck. Your opinion on my uniform, or anyone else's for that matter, is therefore meaningless.

Your arrogance in assuming that you have any say in the matter, however, and your foolishness in sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, is well noted, and speaks quite poorly of you.

Um this is actually telling of your arrogance. Maybe it's time you start caring about your profession.


You really don't know. Obviously. It's "Yeah," by the way.

I've left the airplane to go get catering for passengers or to stock an airplane on many occasions. It may be a quick bite to eat that the passenger has requested. It may be a specific kind of beer. It may be newspapers that aren't found at an FBO. It may be mini-booze of a particular kind that the client particularly likes. It may be that the client's dog threw up, and now we need more napkins. It's really not important why.

I've gone to restaurants in uniform while on duty. I've gone to 7-11 in uniform while on duty. I've gone to liquor stores while on duty, and in uniform. I don't drink. I may not have been going for food for myself. I've done all sorts of things for the company and for the client. I once went to a hardware store in uniform to get a roll of masking tape. I needed the tape to clean the dog hair out of the airplane, that the celebrity client's dog had left behind. I've gone tool shopping, gone into pet stores, picked up food and catering, and have delivered tennis rackets to movie stars (that they'd left behind on the airplane). I've done it in rental cars, busses, vans, limousines, and any other transportation I had. I would be more than happy to go do it on a motorcycle.

As long as you are on company time, then you obviously can go in your uniform. For example you need to drive stranded pax to a hotel because it's 2am and no driver is available.

The guy in my case was obviously not on duty, displaying an unprofessional image. Part of the reason that I mentioned it because I had a pax in the car and they also agreed that he was displaying an unprofessional imagine. Basically what Midnight Flyer said.

All one has to do is turn on the autopilot, you say? Are you actually a pilot, or do you only play with computer games and other such "simulators?"

It's a joke. Sarcasm directed toward pt91 guys who seem to think that all airline ops requires of the pilots is to make sure the magazines are on board and to make sure to turn on the AP right after takeoff.
 
As long as you are on company time, then you obviously can go in your uniform. For example you need to drive stranded pax to a hotel because it's 2am and no driver is available.

The guy in my case was obviously not on duty, displaying an unprofessional image. Part of the reason that I mentioned it because I had a pax in the car and they also agreed that he was displaying an unprofessional imagine. Basically what Midnight Flyer said.
Obviously not on duty? You don't even know if he's a flight instructor, do you? You don't know who he is, where he works, or what he does. This being the case, you have absolutely no idea if he's on duty.

You don't know if he was on company time, do you? Obviously, you say...but every word you speak is based on arrogant assumption. You're so busy worrying about what the other guy does.

Mind your own business.

Um this is actually telling of your arrogance.
It's arrogant to not care what you think? If that's true,then the world really does revolve around you, and you're going to need a wheeled stand simply to hold up your head.

Mind your own business.

How can you make yourself look unprofessional on flightinfo??

Start a thread like this and say the things you've said. It's that simple.

Stupid is as stupid does.

In that case, you're doing fine.
 
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Riding a motorcycle in uniform is unprofessional? Seriously, some of you have totally lost the plot. When you eventually have sex with a live woman you'll understand just how unimportant little stuff like where a working guy eats and what he wears when he rides truly is.





(I would, however, be concerned about whether or not he was on a motorcycle built in Milwaukee, WI or York, PA since real men don't ride anything else. :D )
 
(I would, however, be concerned about whether or not he was on a motorcycle built in Milwaukee, WI or York, PA since real men don't ride anything else. :D )[/QUOTE]


Silly you don't you know real motorcycles come from Japan?
 

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