Flight cancellations surge at American Airlines

[SXMp2c]

62 Tues
29 Wed
11 Today so far

(cancellations at American)

 

[AA717driver]

AMR is threatening legal action to stop the pilots from taking MX delays.

Please, go to court to force us to stop writing up cabin or cosmetic items when we are made aware of them.

"Your Honor, we are simply requesting a restraining order to force the pilots to not log maintenance item until the end of the day when contract mx can deal with them in a manner that won't cause the operation to completely come unglued."

Go ahead...

TC

 

[Angus Khan]

G4, you go ahead and cross that line. I think you're looking through rose colored glasses though. I'm no big union guy, but who else do we pilots have on our side but ourselves? The press, the FAA, the docs, airline managements, the judges, Wall Street and the general public pretty much don't see our side of things nor understand or give a rip as to what we've endured and live with. If we cannot stand in unity together we are more screwed than ever.

 

[G4dude]

You do not understand a closed shop.

"amazingly unfair"? you're already a second class member just by showing your true colors and flying for NJI. You had better not test those former teamsters or you'll be looking for job number 12 (or whatever number you're up to) Its a matter of federal law: you do not have the right to act like you are...

What actions of mine are not allowed? How could I lose my job for believing the way I do?

 

[G4dude]

union guys are a strange lot.

They surely are. Their definition of going along with the group is to go along with THEIR group. There is a large group at my company who are not ardent unionists, but I don't see any calls here for US to act as a group. Pretty funny.

 

[G4dude]

G4, you go ahead and cross that line. I think you're looking through rose colored glasses though. I'm no big union guy, but who else do we pilots have on our side but ourselves? The press, the FAA, the docs, airline managements, the judges, Wall Street and the general public pretty much don't see our side of things nor understand or give a rip as to what we've endured and live with. If we cannot stand in unity together we are more screwed than ever.

Fair post. I feel we all, as INDIVIDUALS, should deal with our employers. I don't understand forcing them to treat us the way we want when it is their company. If we don't like our jobs, let's go elsewhere. Our freedom to do just that helps keep our pay up, because training costs are so high.

 

[G4dude]

Your IGNORANCE in union matters feeds your oversimplistic views of the "Real World".
Going on "Strike" is not an individual choice, it is a group effort..
Strength in numbers. The sacrifice of the many will benefit ALL, including the "NON PARTICIPANTS". Get it. Without unity we have, well..... The likes of G4 and friends.

Well put, but I just don't agree.

 

[B727FA]

No, CNN is to the left. But CNN's degree of extremism isn't as bad as Fox's. My preferred news source and channel is BBC. That is fair and balanced. They report the who, what, where, when, just as news was meant to be, without the right wing or left wing slams.

Amen.

 

[nordo_2]

Well put, but I just don't agree.

Crossing a legal picket line, while never going to be my choice. Has been done by a few pilots in the past. I think the boys are just expressing their disgust in an expressive manner. I can’t think of anyone actually being harmed. Scabs even manage to eek out careers. Netjets has more than a few, as most airlines do. So, you would be in good company. I would call it bad company.

So how about those greedy union grubbing Referees?

 

[ultrarunner]

If my union struck my company and I did not agree with that action, I would cross the line. Nothing pathetic about that. ...

If you fukked up and the company decided to terminate you, would you expect to be backed by the union, or if the union felt (for whatever reason) that you're expendable you'd be ok with that too?

Just asking...

 

[J.Otto]

Crossing a legal picket line, while never going to be my choice. Has been done by a few pilots in the past. I think the boys are just expressing their disgust in an expressive manner. I can’t think of anyone actually being harmed. Scabs even manage to eek out careers. Netjets has more than a few, as most airlines do. So, you would be in good company. I would call it bad company.

So how about those greedy union grubbing Referees?

Crossing the picket line is the BEST way to get hired quick!

G4Dude has it right.

 

[J.Otto]

You think being called a scab bothers people? Get real. Money and a job trumps name-calling from some union thug who is limited to only toe the line.

 

[SXMp2c]

up to 18 cancellations today

 

[nordo_2]

Crossing the picket line is the BEST way to get hired quick!

G4Dude has it right.

Just a question. Is this how you got hired?

 

[B-atch]

Just a question. Is this how you got hired?

Don't FEED the trolls...

 

[nordo_2]

Don't FEED the trolls...

My bad...

 

[jetlag7]

Don't FEED the trolls...

There has been some degree of success in the Fractional forums abstaining from feeding this particular group of trolls -- probably why they decided to look for snacks in the Majors forum .....

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Fair post. I feel we all, as INDIVIDUALS, should deal with our employers. I don't understand forcing them to treat us the way we want when it is their company. If we don't like our jobs, let's go elsewhere. Our freedom to do just that helps keep our pay up, because training costs are so high.

What you say may make sense in the corporate world. I'm not a corporate pilot so I wouldn't know. However, being an airline pilot, I can tell you that your ideas are quite different from the reality we deal with. And since you aren't an airline pilot, you have no idea what our seniority based RLA hogtied world really is like.

 

[Dan Roman]

Fair post. I feel we all, as INDIVIDUALS, should deal with our employers. I don't understand forcing them to treat us the way we want when it is their company. If we don't like our jobs, let's go elsewhere. Our freedom to do just that helps keep our pay up, because training costs are so high.

In other words, you want to do whatever you can that is most beneficial to your own self interest.
Unions are not perfect, but by and large they are able to democratically come up with a position that is most beneficial to the majority and protect everyone's best interest. Unfortunately unions are always having to deal with individuals that care more about their own interests than what is best for all.
Wherever you work or whatever you fly. Your pay would be lower had it not been for ALPA. Yes even corporate pilots.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Wherever you work or whatever you fly. Your pay would be lower had it not been for ALPA. Yes even corporate pilots.

This bears repeating. It's apparent some pilots think they operate in an economic vacuum, where in reality, it's one giant job market, with skills easily transferable between the airline, corporate, and fractional worlds.

Collective bargaining will always trounce individual bargaining. In order to collectively bargain you have to stick together, with a unified voice. It may seem as though you surrender autonomy, (you do, other than by your voting) but there is no other way to bargain as one. If you don't agree with the actions of the whole, don't cross -- might I suggest simply finding another job with your highly-effective bargaining skills.


Now, enough feeding of the trolls. They are here for their entertainment and can't possibly simultaneously believe what they write while still being professional pilots.