Flight cancellations surge at American Airlines

[BentOver]

Kudos to AA pilots taking a strong stand as far as they can within the legal limits....If it's broke, write it up...Simple as that.. You don't think for one second managment wouldn't come down on a pilot if the roles were reversed...??

Let the rampers, mechanics, CS, schedulers and dispatchers do their own job.. Guaranteed they will usually screw something up which will result in something going wrong. Not the pilots problem. Those individuals get paid to do their own job. Pilots get paid to fly.

Some people go through life as sheep, just happy to have a job and have some money coming in... For the rest of us MEN, we prefer to get paid and treated with a level of respect.... In the end, us pilots who get fed up with managements tactics and take a stand, can walk into ops with our heads held high...

I wonder if guys like G4 ever have the balls to walk into a Double Tree Union meeting with the same attitude and verbally express it to his peers, as he does here? My family and friends know what I stand for... I wonder how G4's family/friends view him? As a strong individual or as someone who goes through life saying "yes master, anything you say"...........

 

[Flopgut]

I would leave for a better job. Which I have done before.

Good for you. This situation is nothing like that. This is a showdown; One party will walk away, and one will not. The money mgt owes the APA is more like accounts receivable than backpay or snap back. Mgt wants to hide out in bk from every creditor they've got, and that includes the APA. This will be different.

You really should refrain from commenting here. You don't speak the language. Go back to the royal barge and play CEO fartcatcher.

 

[G4dude]

Kudos to AA pilots taking a strong stand as far as they can within the legal limits....If it's broke, write it up...Simple as that.. You don't think for one second managment wouldn't come down on a pilot if the roles were reversed...??

Let the rampers, mechanics, CS, schedulers and dispatchers do their own job.. Guaranteed they will usually screw something up which will result in something going wrong. Not the pilots problem. Those individuals get paid to do their own job. Pilots get paid to fly.

Some people go through life as sheep, just happy to have a job and have some money coming in... For the rest of us MEN, we prefer to get paid and treated with a level of respect.... In the end, us pilots who get fed up with managements tactics and take a stand, can walk into ops with our heads held high...

I wonder if guys like G4 ever have the balls to walk into a Double Tree Union meeting with the same attitude and verbally express it to his peers, as he does here? My family and friends know what I stand for... I wonder how G4's family/friends view him? As a strong individual or as someone who goes through life saying "yes master, anything you say"...........

It wouldn't take guts to walk in to a meeting of people like me and express your views. it would take a LOT of guts for me to do the same at a meeting of people like you. Don't you see the difference? It shouldn't take "guts" to tell another pilot my views or for you to tell me yours.
And by the way, in case of a strike, if you choose to leave your job and walk the line, I would not harass you at all. If I choose to cross that line, you would harass me to the extreme. See the difference?

 

[G4dude]

Good for you. This situation is nothing like that. This is a showdown; One party will walk away, and one will not. The money mgt owes the APA is more like accounts receivable than backpay or snap back. Mgt wants to hide out in bk from every creditor they've got, and that includes the APA. This will be different.

You really should refrain from commenting here. You don't speak the language. Go back to the royal barge and play CEO fartcatcher.

If AA goes under, who will support the pilots' families financially? Who will apologize to the pilots who were NOT in favor of the stuff some pilots are doing now to cost the company money, if AA craters?

 

[HA25]

It wouldn't take guts to walk in to a meeting of people like me and express your views. it would take a LOT of guts for me to do the same at a meeting of people like you. Don't you see the difference? It shouldn't take "guts" to tell another pilot my views or for you to tell me yours.
And by the way, in case of a strike, if you choose to leave your job and walk the line, I would not harass you at all. If I choose to cross that line, you would harass me to the extreme. See the difference?

that's clearly because one harms the other, while the other does not harm the one... it IS a one way street argument.

 

[G4dude]

Kudos to AA pilots taking a strong stand as far as they can within the legal limits....If it's broke, write it up...Simple as that.. You don't think for one second managment wouldn't come down on a pilot if the roles were reversed...??

Let the rampers, mechanics, CS, schedulers and dispatchers do their own job.. Guaranteed they will usually screw something up which will result in something going wrong. Not the pilots problem. Those individuals get paid to do their own job. Pilots get paid to fly.

Some people go through life as sheep, just happy to have a job and have some money coming in... For the rest of us MEN, we prefer to get paid and treated with a level of respect.... In the end, us pilots who get fed up with managements tactics and take a stand, can walk into ops with our heads held high...

I wonder if guys like G4 ever have the balls to walk into a Double Tree Union meeting with the same attitude and verbally express it to his peers, as he does here? My family and friends know what I stand for... I wonder how G4's family/friends view him? As a strong individual or as someone who goes through life saying "yes master, anything you say"...........

I must confess, it makes me smile to read that to be pro union takes "guts." It never takes guts to run with the herd, especially if it is ignorantly over a cliff.

 

[G4dude]

that's clearly because one harms the other, while the other does not harm the one... it IS a one way street argument.

Please explain, and thanks for the civilized arguments.

 

[HA25]

Please explain, and thanks for the civilized arguments.

If you cross the picket line, you undermine the strike and therefore the efforts of those "brave" men who risk their jobs to improve their, and the rest of the professions' future.

If on the other hand you are criticized for doing so, labeled a scab, or otherwise ostracized you are no worse than you are today.... and your lively hood is unaffected in the corporate pilot universe.

 

[densoo]

You don't think for one second managment wouldn't come down on a pilot if the roles were reversed...??

Yup. The situation was reversed and they did and are using every facet of bankruptcy laws to slam the pilots.

 

[Flopgut]

If AA goes under, who will support the pilots' families financially? Who will apologize to the pilots who were NOT in favor of the stuff some pilots are doing now to cost the company money, if AA craters?

I know a lot of American pilots. I have no idea who you might be talking about. These guys have had it. In fact their families have too.

These pilots have been institutionalized. Lot's of us have. You don't understand it, trust me. There is nothing like this going on in your world.