Flight cancellations surge at American Airlines

[G4dude]

He's a naive, ignorant prick!!

It's funny, I disagree with you but I don't call you a naive ignorant prick. Or is this just your way of communicating with everyone? Might need a vocabulary expansion, skippy.

 

[HA25]

It's funny, I disagree with you but I don't call you a naive ignorant prick. Or is this just your way of communicating with everyone? Might need a vocabulary expansion, skippy.

well you ARE naive and quite ignorant of the industry you work in.... I will say that the name calling is unnecessary but that's just the former moderator in my talking

 

[G4dude]

no, because "no job" and keeping your dignity is better than a $hitty job...

If you have ANY idea of the history at AMR, and the dichotomy between how well management members have done vs the pilots over the past decade plus you would not be saying such stupid and naive things.

I have had eleven flight departments close their doors on me. I know what it is to lose a job while trying to support a family. In a weak economy, keeping a fairly good job is better than losing it, it seems to me. Even if people disagree with me about this, I don't understand the ferocity of some of the posts here.

I have several friends at AA and several more who were at TWA. I am very well informed about the situation when they merged. It was UGLY. All that talk about union brotherhood, priceless.

 

[HA25]

I have had eleven flight departments close their doors on me.

don't you find it odd that they've all failed/closed even with you working so hard to please them and keep their costs down? So maybe the problem isn't a pilot one, but rather a management/organizational level one? In which case, let's pay the pilots well, across the board and let the organizational geniuses figure out how to keep the profits coming...

 

[G4dude]

well you ARE naive and quite ignorant of the industry you work in.... I will say that the name calling is unnecessary but that's just the former moderator in my talking

Thanks for that nice post. However, I have been in the industry for 35 years, so naivete and ignorance? I doubt it. We have the same set of facts, but our conclusions differ, that's all.
An example: I care what I and my pilot peers make, but I don't care what management makes, that is between them and the Board of Directors. Cheers!

 

[HA25]

An example: I care what I and my pilot peers make, but I don't care what management makes, that is between them and the Board of Directors. Cheers!

you do understand that it's all a piece of pie, and it has to be divided up, right? If mgmt wants a disproportionate share, it leaves you and your peers with less.. you get that, right?

 

[G4dude]

don't you find it odd that they've all failed/closed even with you working so hard to please them and keep their costs down? So maybe the problem isn't a pilot one, but rather a management/organizational level one? In which case, let's pay the pilots well, across the board and let the organizational geniuses figure out how to keep the profits coming...

A fair question. I worked for a lot of very small companies, some were managed pretty well, some just didn't make it because it is tough out there, several were not well managed. That's the breaks. If I wanted to have a say in how they were run, I should have invested my time and money in my own company. It was a rough 20 years though, and I am still climbing out of a financial hole as a result.

 

[HA25]

A fair question. I worked for a lot of very small companies, some were managed pretty well, some just didn't make it because it is tough out there, several were not well managed. That's the breaks. If I wanted to have a say in how they were run, I should have invested my time and money in my own company. It was a rough 20 years though, and I am still climbing out of a financial hole as a result.

that makes sense for your "corporate" pilot world where jets aren't the sole revenue generation, but in the schedule and non-scheudled airline world, the pilots are where the rubber meets the road... they ARE the point man of the revenue generation and deserve to be right behind the officers of the airline in terms of compensation, not a DISTANT second!

 

[G4dude]

you do understand that it's all a piece of pie, and it has to be divided up, right? If mgmt wants a disproportionate share, it leaves you and your peers with less.. you get that, right?

I get it, but don't feel it is my business what management makes. It is my business how I conduct my own life. I want my company to be as profitable as possible, and want to make as much as I can. If an employer doesn't pay me enough, I will look elsewhere, and not try to change their behavior by engaging in group coercion, with all due respect. These boots were made for walking, and that's just what they'll do...

 

[G4dude]

that makes sense for your "corporate" pilot world where jets aren't the sole revenue generation, but in the schedule and non-scheudled airline world, the pilots are where the rubber meets the road... they ARE the point man of the revenue generation and deserve to be right behind the officers of the airline in terms of compensation, not a DISTANT second!

I certainly want what you want, just don't believe in unionizing to achieve it. Just because you and I feel we "deserve" something doesn't necessarily mean the marketplace will provide it while keeping our employer healthy enough to stay in business.