FlexPilots

[GlorifiedCabbie]

CL. You might gladly share a cockpit with him and you might think he is a stand up guy but his actions tell a different story.

 

[CL300Pilot]

CL. You might gladly share a cockpit with him and you might think he is a stand up guy but his actions tell a different story.

We all have our own view points on the matter. Next one is on me :beer:

 

[el raton]

CL. You might gladly share a cockpit with him and you might think he is a stand up guy but his actions tell a different story.

His "actions"? What has he done, disagree with you? God forbid someone disagree with a teamster.

 

[el raton]

TWA. The whole point is for no pilot to get screwed. Are you standing up for your fellow Flex pilots at these meetings?

What's he standing up to? They haven't done anything to us, nothing has changed at Flex.

 

[slowtation capt]

What's he standing up to? They haven't done anything to us, nothing has changed at Flex.

Didn't you guys lose a percentage of your 401K match. Didn't you get converted from separate PTO/sick/vacation time to the famous 1 for all PTO/sick/vacation time bank-thus losing approximately 8 days in the transition, didn't you have but 1 payscale for every pilot, and now you have different scales based on the fleet type.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Didn't you guys lose a percentage of your 401K match. Didn't you get converted from separate PTO/sick/vacation time to the famous 1 for all PTO/sick/vacation time bank-thus losing approximately 8 days in the transition, didn't you have but 1 payscale for every pilot, and now you have different scales based on the fleet type.

401(k) match didn't change

PTO was reduced by 3 days. We had 10 sick days on top of vacation. Now we gave 7 PTO days we can use for anything. For those of gs that didn't use all our sick days every year this was a gain.

Our payscale hasn't changed.


Any other "rumors" we can shed light on?

 

[chief9404]

401(k) match didn't change

Now we gave 7 PTO days we can use for anything.


Try using those PTO days for just "anything" and see what happens. You have a lot to learn.

 

[slowtation capt]

401(k) match didn't change

What was your match before KR took over? What is your match now?


PTO was reduced by 3 days. We had 10 sick days on top of vacation. Now we gave 7 PTO days we can use for anything. For those of gs that didn't use all our sick days every year this was a gain.

Great for those that don't use all the sick days, but for those that do or if you want to look at it as a whole, it's a lose of time


Our payscale hasn't changed.

Any other "rumors" we can shed light on?

These "rumors" are "rumors" that I have heard from multiple Flex Pilots out on the road. Approximately a dozen have said these 3 items specifically. That's a high number for it to be a "rumor"

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Our 401(k) match is 100% on the first 6% and the company adds an additional 3% on top of that. So, I put in 6 and the put in 9. This is identical to before DAC.

Our old sick bank didn't roll over. Use it or loose it. Now we can bank up to 40 days. Unless I need to use all my sick days in a year I get to either use them as additional days of or roll them to next year. That is a bonus for us.

Not sure who you heard about our payscale changing, but ZERO has changed.

 

[Club ORD FO]

These "rumors" are "rumors" that I have heard from multiple Flex Pilots out on the road. Approximately a dozen have said these 3 items specifically. That's a high number for it to be a "rumor"

I'll concur with what the others said. Our match is the same (100% of first 6%). I think what they may be talking about is we use to have a bonus match that paid out on each paycheck (extra 2% I think it was). Now we get the bonus match in one lump sum at the end of the year. At least I think that's right?? I'm not sure of the amount of this bonus match. I think it's the same.

The transition from sock to PTO was not awesome but I know guys have been granted PTO days just fine and nobody is complaining about it now. The pay scales have not changed.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Our 401(k) match is 100% on the first 6% and the company adds an additional 3% on top of that. So, I put in 6 and the put in 9. This is identical to before DAC.

Sure about that? I don't think we get that bonus match on each paycheck anymore. Its a year end bonus now.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Sure about that? I don't think we get that bonus match on each paycheck anymore. Its a year end bonus now.

It's the same percentage paid out in 2 installments. .75% in the summer and 2.25% late in the year.

 

[Club ORD FO]

It's the same percentage paid out in 2 installments. .75% in the summer and 2.25% late in the year.

Ok yup, thats sounds right. Disregard

 

[wingsnthings]

One of the biggest changes that I see is that our (Flexjet)short term disability is now paid at 100%. Much better than Bombardier short term. I'll take that over 3 PTO days all day long.

 

[993_Pilot]

Ultimately, my gut says that you guys are getting played. No doubt, he will treat the Flex pilots well, while there is a potential single carrier / union representation vote hanging in the air. KR was never this generous with the FLOPS pilots before (or after) the union, so why do you all think he is suddenly being this generous with the Flex pilots now? I guarantee it isn't out of the goodness of his heart, there is a motivation behind it. Ask yourself, "What might the real motivation be?" Do you all really think a dog can change the color of his spots? If the question of union representation were removed, it would be less than one year before your benefits and compensation would look distinctly different.

... or maybe TWA and all the true believers at Flex would be granted an extra stripe for their uniform and be elevated to the status of "Senior Flight Officers". Then we could go back to the days of individually negotiated special deals for those willing to never say "No" to anything. Sounds just peachy to me.

The question that the Flex pilots should be asking themselves is not, "What makes the teamsters so great?"... What you should be asking yourselves is that "Even with all their imperfections and faults, why do the majority of FLOPS pilots still feel they are much better off with the Teamsters, than not being represented at all?" This didn't happen by accident guys. We came to be represented over the course of several years of failed promises and eroded benefits. I know you are all afraid of losing what you already have, and that is a very valid concern. Hopefully, the 1108 MEC is addressing this during their "fence" negotiations with DAC/One Sky, but if you won't listen and learn from those who have been down this path before you, we are ALL doomed to repeat our past.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yup I get that you guys felt you needed to unionize due to broken promises and all that. Had I been at options I bet I would have voted yes as well. But, none of that nasty stuff has happened at flex. Yet. You're asking us to vote pro union based on the belief that things will go massively downhill. When you guys voted in a union things were horrible, and you knew a union would only make it better. Over at flex things are fine. Personally I'd rather wait until something crazy happens, then I'll vote twice. Since there is a chance we would lose pay, schedule, and benefits if we vote in the union then you have to agree it is riskier for us than it was/is for you. KR has said we can keep what we have. Do I believe him? I really don't know. But why not give it a chance before we play the union card? The threat of a union is almost as good as having one.

I'm still surprised that the union is going to bring in the flex pilots and put it to a vote. Does the MEC not think it's a risky move? If you guys do nothing, then you can keep your union and we can keep playing in our own sandbox. If things get nasty we will be the ones asking for a vote.

 

[slowtation capt]

Personally I'd rather wait until something crazy happens, then I'll vote twice. Since there is a chance we would lose pay, schedule, and benefits if we vote in the union then you have to agree it is riskier for us than it was/is for you. KR has said we can keep what we have. Do I believe him? I really don't know. But why not give it a chance before we play the union card? The threat of a union is almost as good as having one.

KR also said is his meeting that the 401K for Flops needs to come back now. Well that's not hard, walk down the stairs, through the hall into HR's office and say, "Re-instate the 401K" Language is all ready in the contract for re-instatement. Why hasn't KR spoken those words, nothing is stopping him, certainly not the Union.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

KR also said is his meeting that the 401K for Flops needs to come back now. Well that's not hard, walk down the stairs, through the hall into HR's office and say, "Re-instate the 401K" Language is all ready in the contract for re-instatement. Why hasn't KR spoken those words, nothing is stopping him, certainly not the Union.

The problem is you guys have a union. For everything one side gives there must be something taken in return.

As long as you guys have the 1108 he won't "give" you stuff. Even a good will gesture to the pilots won't get management anywhere with you. The union is a great wedge dividing your company. Until it goes away things won't get better.

Would the union "give" up all the crew bases you have for nothing in return. Of course not.

You guys live under a union, you should know how things work by now.

 

[slowtation capt]

The problem is you guys have a union. For everything one side gives there must be something taken in return.

As long as you guys have the 1108 he won't "give" you stuff. Even a good will gesture to the pilots won't get management anywhere with you. The union is a great wedge dividing your company. Until it goes away things won't get better.

Would the union "give" up all the crew bases you have for nothing in return. Of course not.

You guys live under a union, you should know how things work by now.

That is about the most asinine statement that I have ever heard.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA. The union isn't the problem. Didn't SS warn us that the company will get the union they deserve. Oh! That's right, he is no longer here.