Flexjet Union Drive on the move

[Jetz]

You just wait. The dark clouds will find CS. And when they do you will be the little boy who cried wolf. You'll have a CEO one day that will decide he can cut your QOL fatten his pocket and jump with his golden parachute. When it happens you guys will come crawling to the 1108 for help. Dont worry we'll be here.

F.U.D.

 

[dime line]

And Jetz how is that FUD

 

[cosmotheassman]

Unionization IS happening at Flexjet. This has NOTHING to do with CS bogart. Go drink Kool aid from your boss. Make sure you protect your chin from bruising when you do.....

We are SO CLOSE. GET YOUR CARDS IN QUICK!!!!!!!

 

[marqmarq]

"Our management takes care of us"

"Our management takes care of us".... "There must be WMDs in Iraq"..... "Go ahead, drink the koolaid" --Jim Jones.

I wonder what happens the day CS management decides to cut salaries by 20% to increase management bounuses.... I wonder what happens when Cessna and TAG sell CS to NJA in order to secure more aircraft sales.... Union leaders come and go and management folks come and go and the only thing left is a piece of paper... and without a union, that piece of paper comes from a roll in the men's room. "Our management takes care of us" sheessh...

 

[gunfyter]

And that comes from somebody who knows what it means when the Boss says...

"Read my Lips... no furloughs here."

Then promptly gets furloughed 2 months later.

 

[CA1900]

"Read my Lips... no furloughs here."

Then promptly gets furloughed 2 months later.

At CommutAir, it was our company president on his recorded update saying, "Don't believe the doom-and-gloom rumors. Our recovery plan is right on track." Then half our pilot group was furloughed less than two days later! :angryfire

 

[The Great One]

The Union is NOT the way to go. We don't have one here at CitationShares, nor do we want one. Our management takes care of us, that is why WE are the class of the field. NJW has too much time on her hands to be preaching about the great union the way she does. Maybe she should spend more time in the kitchen baking a cake for her hubby, and to "Cosmo..." your name sure fits your comments...the ass man, huh?

first of all, call sign "5 star" is gay as hell

second, if wasn't for netjets, you would never have gotten the raise you got, and you still have to pay for benefits, and don't get reimbursed tips.

third of all, I totally agree with cosmo, union got netjets where they are now.
And with time, we'll get there too (options army !!!) and so will flex.
as for cs, who gives a rats a$$.
you came along well after the big 3 and everything looks so pretty, but wait... it's only a management change away

 

[xpdriver]

OK two points...CS would not have any of the pay they have now it is wasn't for For nja's new contract.And don't tell me the MGMT at CS was going to do it anyway>>>BS So your welcome.

Second...If Flex wants low pay and long hours and shi%%y work rules then throw the union card away..most of us don't give a Sh%t...19 days a month for less than I make in 15 sounds Great.I would probably throw it away to...

 

[netjetwife]

Hey Bogart, get over yourself!! We are a COMMODITY!! Bought and sold just like new tires on your shiny CJ3. When costs need to be cut, pilots are the first to go. Who's going to stand up for you guys when the time comes? Unions are a love/hate thing sometimes, but what relationship isn't?

Good post! I'll add that it's up to the pilots to market themselves and negotiate their contract. As for relationships, we all know that you get out of one what you put into it. Unions are a direct reflection of the membership for the simple fact that the members ARE the union.

My family's furlough experience was taking a hard look at our budget and figuring out what to do while finding out that management was in the background scrambling to protect their retirement and pay structure while laying off pilots....

Unfortunately, the companies that do a good job of respectfully taking care of the pilots are the exception rather than the rule. When it comes to protecting your career and your family, I think it's better to be safe than sorry. That protection includes having guaranteed health coverage. Ask Flt Ops families how secure they feel right now in that regard. Wouldn't they be feeling better if they already had a written contract that prevented their health insurance from being changed on a whim? That example should have the Flex pilots turning in those cards. Frac families can do without care like that...

 

[cosmotheassman]

I hate to admit it but, I agree with netjetwife!

Face it folks, this unionization is moving forward at Flex. I can't say all the details here but, get your cards in. We are extremely close to our goal. Send them in again if its been awhile also in case its been more than a year since you sent them the first time.

 

[Jetz]

"Our management takes care of us".... "There must be WMDs in Iraq"..... "Go ahead, drink the koolaid" --Jim Jones.

I wonder what happens the day CS management decides to cut salaries by 20% to increase management bounuses.... I wonder what happens when Cessna and TAG sell CS to NJA in order to secure more aircraft sales.... Union leaders come and go and management folks come and go and the only thing left is a piece of paper... and without a union, that piece of paper comes from a roll in the men's room. "Our management takes care of us" sheessh...

Another fine F.U.D. dud.

 

[choppengruven]

Another fine F.U.D. dud.

Hey Jetz,
Your one of those "it will never happen to me guys" arent you? Thats just funny. Go ahead and keep farting through your silk sheets brother I dont really care

 

[The Great One]

yep very true
get the union in before mgt gets to you because they will sooner or later.
Look at most jobs everywhere not just aviation.
mgt only look at one thing: their retirement
nobody cares anymore

 

[netjetwife]

I hate to admit it but, I agree with netjetwife!

Face it folks, this unionization is moving forward at Flex. I can't say all the details here but, get your cards in. We are extremely close to our goal. Send them in again if its been awhile also in case its been more than a year since you sent them the first time.

It's quite alright Cosmo, it happens frequently and no one will hold it against you..... Certainly not me... Eventually, people realize 1) I fully support all of the frac pilots; they are professionals and should be treated/compensated as such. 2) I am well informed and can discuss the issues. 3) I am in favor of respectful discourse about the problems facing the industry and will listen to all opinions on how to raise the bar.

It's no secret that I personally believe an organized group of pilots have the best chance to gain the contract they deserve by merit of their contribution to the company. It's rather obvious, however, that nothing else has worked at Flex and if management was inclined to treat/pay the pilots like the professionals they are it would have happened already. CS pilots got a pay raise very quickly after the NJ pilots won their new contract. Next month makes the one year anniversary of the NJ CBA. Clearly, management would have done right by the pilots, by now, if they had any intentions of doing so.

With Flex pilots taking a strong step forward in the move to the bargaining table that will lend momentum to the Flt Ops pilots. It will definitely be a solid show of support for their cause and obviously your own... Remember, a standing ovation is more effective when all of the audience stands at the same time. The more voices are raised in the call for industry standard wages the easier it will be to get management's attention.
Go Flex Pilots!
NJW

 

[RNObased]

I hate to admit it but, I agree with netjetwife!

Face it folks, this unionization is moving forward at Flex. I can't say all the details here but, get your cards in. We are extremely close to our goal. Send them in again if its been awhile also in case its been more than a year since you sent them the first time.

Holy cats, I agreed with NJW and now the assman agrees with her, what is the world coming to.

 

[netjetwife]

News Flash--NJW has a clue....

Hey, RNO, did you see your card? Wasn't it a perfect match?

Do you think I should embarrass Cosmo likewise....

To answer your question, one hopes that the frac world is coming to the realization that the pilots can further their mutual goals by working together. When we have the best interests of the frac pilots and their families at heart, it isn't at all surprising that we will find common ground.
Best wishes to all frac pilots,
Netjetwife

 

[xpdriver]

I am as guilty as the next guy keeping this post going...But this is such a waste of time..These anti-union guys are probably mgmt or just stupid,,And you know what they say..You can't fix stupid...,I'm going to watch my grass grow,The grass(sod) I bought with my retro(sorry I needed a parting shot)..

 

[DBCOOPER]

Humphrybogart does not represent at all the majority of CitationShares pilots. I don't really understand why he continues to post such arrogant crap. I invite him to send me a private message so that I can try to figure out who he is and bring him out of the clouds....

CS is a young company that now needs no union. This has been said before, if they start to screw us then that's a different story, but so far so good. A large fraction of the pilots at CS are ex-airline, ex ALPA pilots. We know what is out there and what we need at this point. Ofcourse, all the TWA guys I talk to are a little skiddish on unions (rightfully so).

The fact that some of you out there feel you need to make yourself feel superior by saying your company is the best, or that everyone owes you a big thank you....get OVER YOURSELVES. This industry goes around and around and those sitting at the "top" can soon be at the bottom or gone with the wind. Anyone that thinks otherwise just knows nothing about aviation history.

Whoever is bashing CS for their call sign and tip reimbursement.....get better ammo, you sound like an idiot.

 

[Hogprint]

Bogey posted:

Our management takes care of us, that is why WE are the class of the field.

Quick question Bogey...How many pilots are at CS now? I'm guessing it's around or below 400. When y'all reach the 1000 mark, I wonder if you will sing the same tune.

Every thing I've heard from you guys on the road has been positive. Enjoy the good times now. History has shown that at some point the fun ride will end. The union will be essential then.

 

[ArtVandalay]

I keep hearing ALOT more union talk now at Flexjet. There are no signs of any raises next year or much growth. Lets keep the cards coming in guys. THIS WILL HAPPEN NOW.