FlexJet - Time for a Union

[notapilot]

NJW, you think that you know everything so well including me. Thanks for making my point. Believe what you will.

 

[netjetwife]

Nota, not wanting to see this thread derailed, I had intended to stop posting on it, (even if it disappointed the popcorn crowd ) but you kept dragging me into it and now I find that I do owe you an apology. I apologize for implying that you were not supportive of the Flex pilots card drive. I have since read your posts from the last card drive and see that I am in error about that. Alas, I have encountered a lot of rudeness for my pro-union stance, particularly from non-pilots, and I made the mistake of thinking you had the same attitude.

However, to be clear, I do not apologize for wishing the Flex pilots well in their efforts; nor do I think it was wrong of me to try to offer them some words of encouragement. Ironically, I'd have left the thread much sooner; it was you who detained me. Hopefully, you will now ignore me and this thread will return to its original focus.

 

[Flyingdog1]

AHHHH.... Just figured out the Ignore list. No more netjetwife, no more B19. Life is good! One wife is enough.

netjetwife say what? what? sorry can't hear ya.

 

[John MClain]

Good. Get back in the kitchen.

Totally un-called for, you are a **uche Bag.

NJW I appologize for the immature and close minded remarks you have recieved from some supposedly to be Flexjet employee's. I wish I could say that they were the minority here, but unfortunately they are not. I am sorry to say that all your encouragement and support is, has and always will be wasted on the most disconnected and selfcentered group of aviators it has been my 28 years in this profession to be associated with.

Having been at Flexjet for over a decade, I am convinced that just before this last furlough was as good as it will ever get here. I am not saying it's not a great job, it's the best I've ever had. It's just frustrating to know that this far out from retiring, there is no light at the end of the tunnel, only the same ol same ol.

Your efforts would be better served trying to bring peace to the middle east or to prevent Iran from obtaining the bomb.


Yippie Ki Yea.

 

[netjetwife]

John, thanks for the kind words and for sharing your perspective with me. Posts like yours show that the good at FI outweighs the bad and an online community is available here for those who want it.

From what you describe... , things sound grim at Flex. I'm sure there are some Flight Options pilots who once saw their situation as hopeless, too. Now they are a unified group actively working to improve their situation.

Something we all can learn from the NJ story is that situations can do a 180 degree turn. Watching the NJ pilots, I observed that some people will drift....not taking control of their own destiny...until they hit the bottom. Only then will they stand together and pull themselves up. It sounds as though that time may have come for the Flex pilots. Remember, that sometimes big change only happens after taking a series of smaller steps. Good Luck!

Thanks for the camaraderie!
Netjetwife

 

[Helmsalee]

Please don't compare NJW to B19. She may be the PTO Mom, but she does it with a good heart and is trying to make things better. We all know what B19 is trying to do. Ignore both if you must, but don't equate them.

 

[Flyingdog1]

netjetwife say what?

 

[steelersrule74]

Hey dog, since you asked. allow me to help out...

John, thanks for the kind words and for sharing your perspective with me. Posts like yours show that the good at FI outweighs the bad and an online community is available here for those who want it.

From what you describe... , things sound grim at Flex. I'm sure there are some Flight Options pilots who once saw their situation as hopeless, too. Now they are a unified group actively working to improve their situation.

Something we all can learn from the NJ story is that situations can do a 180 degree turn. Watching the NJ pilots, I observed that some people will drift....not taking control of their own destiny...until they hit the bottom. Only then will they stand together and pull themselves up. It sounds as though that time may have come for the Flex pilots. Remember, that sometimes big change only happens after taking a series of smaller steps. Good Luck!

Thanks for the camaraderie!
Netjetwife

 

[Flyingdog1]

steelersrule say what?

We just got a raise, anyone else got one? .... crikets .... is all I hear. Over my career here, I've made more than any NJ pilot in my senoirity. Look, I'm not against a union at Flex; I just don't care to hear from NJW; who doesn't have a dang thing to do with Flex. She fought her fight, let it be. I've told her where she could dance in the past, to no avail, and don't have a problem doing it again.

 

[FalconPilot69]

If this bill passes......

Flexjet will have it's union. The short version is that if this passes, the NLRB will only need 51% for a union to be voted in. The company and newly voted in union have 90 days to hammer out the first contract. If no contract after 90 days, then an arbitrator comes in and will settle it within I believe 45 days. Both sides will be bound by the contract for 2 years. It is in sub committe right now.



Here is the link: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1409

 

[Flyingdog1]

Flexjet will have it's union. The short version is that if this passes, the NLRB will only need 51% for a union to be voted in. The company and newly voted in union have 90 days to hammer out the first contract. If no contract after 90 days, then an arbitrator comes in and will settle it within I believe 45 days. Both sides will be bound by the contract for 2 years. It is in sub committe right now.



Here is the link: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1409[/quote

The FLOPS guys should read this. Maybe they'll get a contract, maybe their lawyers missed it.

 

[CE750Driver]

steelersrule say what?

We just got a raise, anyone else got one? .... crikets .... is all I hear. Over my career here, I've made more than any NJ pilot in my seniority. Look, I'm not against a union at Flex; I just don't care to hear from NJW; who doesn't have a dang thing to do with Flex. She fought her fight, let it be. I've told her where she could dance in the past, to no avail, and don't have a problem doing it again.

Uh, okay, lets post our W2s from either your employer or mine over the last 7 years. Who made the most money?

I would like to see your numbers to prove your statements. Can you provide them? Or are you just talking out your azz?:blush:

BTW, you did furlough, then give raises. Right?

Messed up.

 

[FastJP4]

steelersrule say what?

We just got a raise, anyone else got one? .... crikets .... is all I hear. Over my career here, I've made more than any NJ pilot in my senoirity. Look, I'm not against a union at Flex; I just don't care to hear from NJW; who doesn't have a dang thing to do with Flex. She fought her fight, let it be. I've told her where she could dance in the past, to no avail, and don't have a problem doing it again.

You just got a raise? Actually you still are losing. You lost what, one or two days per bid period. Your raise still keeps you well below what a same year pilot at NJ makes. Did you also factor in NJ's paid for health care - while a good part of your healthcare you are paying out of your check? Did you bother to think of QOL issues where Flex is sorely at the back of the pack? Or maybe consider the 85 Flex pilots out on the street? Didn't think so. Typical attitude from a "me" only pilot group, while NJ's enjoy's a "we" pilot group.

A "we" pilot group would be pissed to see raises after seeing 20% of their brothers and sisters thrown out on the street.

A "me" pilot group would tout their "raise" without a second thought to their fellow pilots. And sad thing is your touting it - and didn't even get a raise.

No doubt your one of the a$$holes out there scrambling for OT with furloughed folks on the street.

Pathetic

 

[Ace75]

You just got a raise? Actually you still are losing. You lost what, one or two days per bid period. Your raise still keeps you well below what a same year pilot at NJ makes. Did you also factor in NJ's paid for health care - while a good part of your healthcare you are paying out of your check? Did you bother to think of QOL issues where Flex is sorely at the back of the pack? Or maybe consider the 85 Flex pilots out on the street? Didn't think so. Typical attitude from a "me" only pilot group, while NJ's enjoy's a "we" pilot group.

A "we" pilot group would be pissed to see raises after seeing 20% of their brothers and sisters thrown out on the street.

A "me" pilot group would tout their "raise" without a second thought to their fellow pilots. And sad thing is your touting it - and didn't even get a raise.

No doubt your one of the a$$holes out there scrambling for OT with furloughed folks on the street.

Pathetic

+1

now, whats this about not giving hotels in domiciles? what are you supposed to drive home every time you overnight at base? that will work real well for those guys living in Orlando and based in FLL, or try driving to PA from HPN and make your 90 minute call out. How do you guys feel about sharing a couch in the crew room overnight with me and my partner, btw i snore real loud...

 

[steelersrule74]

steelersrule say what?

We just got a raise, anyone else got one? .... crikets .... is all I hear. Over my career here, I've made more than any NJ pilot in my senoirity. Look, I'm not against a union at Flex; I just don't care to hear from NJW; who doesn't have a dang thing to do with Flex. She fought her fight, let it be. I've told her where she could dance in the past, to no avail, and don't have a problem doing it again.

for some reason I suspect our view of any 'raise' may be different. nevertheless it's always been true that in a non-union shop there are a handful of folks that can make out quite nicely - far better in fact than if a union was there. the problem a company will have is that it often allows a large gap between those that are rewarded and those that are crapped on. Thus, you get the union drive.

as for NJW, you have exercised your option to place her on ignore. If you want to gloat about it though then it's just my fun little way of giving some business right back at ya by quoting her. of course you can put me on ignore but eventually you'll find yourself unable to read many posts.

 

[unclepetey]

steelersrule say what?

We just got a raise, anyone else got one? .... crikets .... is all I hear. Over my career here, I've made more than any NJ pilot in my senoirity. Look, I'm not against a union at Flex; I just don't care to hear from NJW; who doesn't have a dang thing to do with Flex. She fought her fight, let it be. I've told her where she could dance in the past, to no avail, and don't have a problem doing it again.

You think you got a raise? Amazing. Management must be loving morons like you.

 

[ArtVandalay]

steelersrule say what?

We just got a raise, anyone else got one? .... crikets .... is all I hear. Over my career here, I've made more than any NJ pilot in my senoirity. Look, I'm not against a union at Flex; I just don't care to hear from NJW; who doesn't have a dang thing to do with Flex. She fought her fight, let it be. I've told her where she could dance in the past, to no avail, and don't have a problem doing it again.

Just got a raise huh? You just lost 2 days of pay out of 16 and they give you back 4% and that is a raise? You are a moron.

 

[Necromonger]

FlyDog

steelersrule say what?

We just got a raise, anyone else got one? .... crikets .... is all I hear. Over my career here, I've made more than any NJ pilot in my senoirity. Look, I'm not against a union at Flex; I just don't care to hear from NJW; who doesn't have a dang thing to do with Flex. She fought her fight, let it be. I've told her where she could dance in the past, to no avail, and don't have a problem doing it again.

.......... Dumba$$

 

[jetmaster727]

Classic case of koolaid-itis !!

 

[Necromonger]

Oooppps... Sorry Flyin' Dawg.

Okay, I didn't read your entire post. Just read the part about the raise, and flew off the handle. Now, I see who that post was aimed at.

I do have a problem, though. We can not look at this as a raise.
-Fact.. They raised our daily rate by 4%.
"Yeah, we got a pay raise," say those who drink the Koolaide being served at the meetings.

-Fact.. In the REAL world... ALL Flexjet pilots will make LESS money this year than they did last year.

More and more policy changes are happening. We still have NO say. Well, I guess we can say what we have been forced to say for years here... "Thank you, sir... May I have another!".. as we grab our ankles and take it up the______ !

Saying that we got a pay raise, in a way, disrespects the 85 pilots we had to put on the street. The LAST thing they want to read up here is that we are whining about a pay raise. But, that just isn't the full truth.

I am taking a 13% pay cut this year at flex. Do the math. We are ALL taking pay cuts.


Who loves ya, Baby??!!!

 

[DirtyBeech]

Classic case of koolaid-itis !!

The first time I read that my mind saw kool-aid tits instead of koolaid itis. Must be day 5.

Necromonger,

right on. All the "bonus" is doing is slightly decreasing your pay cut.

 

[haulingthemail]

take it or leave it. give you 4% to one of the 85 on the street. otherwise be thankful you still have a job. otherwise quit and go elsewhere.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Yes hauling,
Let us know which one of the 85 is designated to receive your 4%. Be thankful for my job, or quit and go elsewhere? Grow up mental midget. Some of us are unwilling to let the economy be the excuse FG and company use to sh*t all over our pilot group.

 

[pers-headwall]

Haven't been on this web-sight in 9 months. Sounds like the same old load o' crap.

Like everyone else, I'm looking out for #1

next, I look out for the company because that helps me...#1

After that, I might put a specific "group" on the list.
Individuals first. Groups second.....

 

[Necromonger]

Oh Boy...

It's Haulin' with his "Love it, or Leave it" speech... BORING!!!!

Comin' from your background, Yes, this job does beat a sharp stick in the eye...

_________________________________________________

Thanks for chiming in Pers...
You know you're right. It is the "same old load o' crap"..........

If it tastes familiar... well... You've been eating it for years. Managements' been feeding us the "same old load o' crap" for WAY too long.

Many of us are tired of it, and are tryin' to do something about it.
Thank God your attitude is that of a shrinking minority around here. If you don't think so, you're way out of touch.

See ya in 9 months, when you decide to take time away from yourself, and post again.

I still Love you both... Hang in there.

 

[hammer2]

Uh, okay, lets post our W2s from either your employer or mine over the last 7 years. Who made the most money?

I would like to see your numbers to prove your statements. Can you provide them? Or are you just talking out your azz?:blush:

BTW, you did furlough, then give raises. Right?

Messed up.

Ouch!! Facts hurt.

 

[johnnyride24]

Okay, I didn't read your entire post. Just read the part about the raise, and flew off the handle. Now, I see who that post was aimed at.

I do have a problem, though. We can not look at this as a raise.
-Fact.. They raised our daily rate by 4%.
"Yeah, we got a pay raise," say those who drink the Koolaide being served at the meetings.

-Fact.. In the REAL world... ALL Flexjet pilots will make LESS money this year than they did last year.

More and more policy changes are happening. We still have NO say. Well, I guess we can say what we have been forced to say for years here... "Thank you, sir... May I have another!".. as we grab our ankles and take it up the______ !

Saying that we got a pay raise, in a way, disrespects the 85 pilots we had to put on the street. The LAST thing they want to read up here is that we are whining about a pay raise. But, that just isn't the full truth.

I am taking a 13% pay cut this year at flex. Do the math. We are ALL taking pay cuts.


Who loves ya, Baby??!!!

So how many Flex pilots might of kept there job if they put that 4% towards keeping additional staff.
15, maybe 20?

 

[Necromonger]

Probably none...