Flexjet Response to NJA new offer:

[CL300Pilot]

I absolutely agree with you. I just want those who are interested in Flex to know the truth. The unfortunate part is that we have people who exagerate both sides of how the company operates.

Anyone who has ever watched my postings knows that I don't BS people. I tell it like it is.

Again, I appreciate your ruling posting because it was very enlightening.

CL300Pilot

CL300,

It all depends on what the policy is. If your company requires you to be available and answer your phone, then it is not considered rest. However, in the example you provided, I see how the one phone call exception is being used. This post was more in response to the previous one about floating rest. Specifically,

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[DirtyBeech]

forward the suspension letter noted in a previous post on to the flexjet poi and get his feeling about it.ask him how the other fractional operators all have full rest when crews are released from duty, but flexjet doesnt have to. How could that be?you can say they havent called you in rest for two years, HOWEVER, they have the right to do it, and believe me when the time comes, THEY WILL....contact your POI, I am helping you out by sending a copy of the suspension letter, along with a letter to FAA agency in Washington DC to get the ball rolling.I am only here to help....www.ibt1108.org (the truth shall set you free)

The ibt1108 Flex website has a grand total of 50 something members with an all time high of 13 members viewing at one time. Sorry, but with 400+ pilots a union is just not going to happen with those numbers. Very underwhelming.

I hope to heck the NJ's contract passes and it forces Flex to step up and offer something on par with our competitors. But, I'm polishing up my resume just in case they don't.

 

[dime line]

The ibt1108 Flex website has a grand total of 50 something members with an all time high of 13 members viewing at one time. Sorry, but with 400+ pilots a union is just not going to happen with those numbers. Very underwhelming.

I hope to heck the NJ's contract passes and it forces Flex to step up and offer something on par with our competitors. But, I'm polishing up my resume just in case they don't.

The FLOPS IBT site has about 90% of the pilots signed up, and everday we see people with their first posts chime in on the site...

 

[Propilot77]

I registered at 1108 6 months ago and can't logon to see what is going on there!

 

[Club ORD FO]

Your posting is great information for the masses. I just want to clarify one thing.



CL300Pilot

300 and 400, can you help clarify this a bit more? This is a good discussion...

Lets say I duty off at 6pm, and given a show time of 10am the next morning, and lets also agree that they can all 2 hours prior. So, does that mean they can only call after 8am the next day? It seems to me that they call 8 hours after rest began, which would be 2am in my example. I know I have had days where i thought I was working at noon or something, but the phone rang at 5am. Is that or is that not a violation of the rest rules?

What if, in my example, I keep my phone off until 8am. If they try to call me at 5am and cant get a hold of me, do I get in trouble?

Another example. Duty off at 6am again, given a 11pm show the next night. So a red eye for the next day. Lets say I plan on staying up all night, then maybe going to bed at 7am or so in order to be rested correctly for the red eye. I watch all sorts of re-runs and paid programming, then my phone rings at 6am, and it is the company telling me there is a change of plans, and I have to go to the airport. Can they or can they not do that?


Sincerely,
Tossing and Turning in Teterhole

 

[dime line]

300 and 400, can you help clarify this a bit more? This is a good discussion...

Lets say I duty off at 6pm, and given a show time of 10am the next morning, and lets also agree that they can all 2 hours prior. So, does that mean they can only call after 8am the next day? It seems to me that they call 8 hours after rest began, which would be 2am in my example. I know I have had days where i thought I was working at noon or something, but the phone rang at 5am. Is that or is that not a violation of the rest rules?

What if, in my example, I keep my phone off until 8am. If they try to call me at 5am and cant get a hold of me, do I get in trouble?

Another example. Duty off at 6am again, given a 11pm show the next night. So a red eye for the next day. Lets say I plan on staying up all night, then maybe going to bed at 7am or so in order to be rested correctly for the red eye. I watch all sorts of re-runs and paid programming, then my phone rings at 6am, and it is the company telling me there is a change of plans, and I have to go to the airport.

Can they or can they not do that?

Sincerely,
Tossing and Turning in Teterhole

About your gettnig into trouble, go and ask 630 pilots at FLOPS if they are getting into trouble. I know I'm not, and my phone if off as soon as the release comes thru, and only comes on at Duty on time.


can they or not......This is their game that your playing, using their rules, untill we at FLOPS get a contract it will be their game. So to answer your question, they can do anything they want, when they want and if you don't like it, not their problem

 

[NJAPLT]

I registered at 1108 6 months ago and can't logon to see what is going on there!

[email protected]

(614) 863-2008

I'm sure they will be able to help you regain access to the message boards.

 

[SDCFI]

Club ORD, just to clarify the FOM actually says we are contactable in the first and last 2 hours of the rest period, not 2 hours prior to duty. So in your example of duty off at 1800 with a 1000 show you would be contactable from 1800-2000 and 0200-0400. It does not however say that you must answer the call, that would be a clear violation of rest. Here is my question: what happens to the period between 0400-1000? The problem is the company gets to have its cake and eat it too. They operate under the premise that they can use you anytime after 0400, as you would have 10 hours of rest, but also if they don't use you until 1000 the time from 0400-1000 is counted as rest because they didn't call you. After reading the comments here and the FAA interpretation of rest via the Whitlow letter I would argue that not only are we not obligated to answer the phone during rest, but we are not usable anytime before 1000 unless the duty period begins at 0400 or the company officially places us in rest until 1000. Since rest has to be prospective in nature they have to tell us we are in rest from 0400-1000, if we are obligated to answer the phone during that period it can't be rest. Along these same lines they should be giving us a rest/duty period while doing home/hotel standby so that we can plan our sleep accordingly.

 

[gunfyter]

DING DING ... We have a winner!

 

[brokeflyer]

Club ORD, just to clarify the FOM actually says we are contactable in the first and last 2 hours of the rest period, not 2 hours prior to duty. So in your example of duty off at 1800 with a 1000 show you would be contactable from 1800-2000 and 0200-0400. It does not however say that you must answer the call, that would be a clear violation of rest. Here is my question: what happens to the period between 0400-1000? The problem is the company gets to have its cake and eat it too. They operate under the premise that they can use you anytime after 0400, as you would have 10 hours of rest, but also if they don't use you until 1000 the time from 0400-1000 is counted as rest because they didn't call you. After reading the comments here and the FAA interpretation of rest via the Whitlow letter I would argue that not only are we not obligated to answer the phone during rest, but we are not usable anytime before 1000 unless the duty period begins at 0400 or the company officially places us in rest until 1000. Since rest has to be prospective in nature they have to tell us we are in rest from 0400-1000, if we are obligated to answer the phone during that period it can't be rest. Along these same lines they should be giving us a rest/duty period while doing home/hotel standby so that we can plan our sleep accordingly.

I remember those days...back when i flew charters.....I hated that stuff....come to netjets and your showtime is the only time they can call you.....lol