Flexjet, pilots...

[jetwash]

Absolutely

I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority

They will never be Granted special status.

They might just interview better for the Global and Gulfstream manager positions.

 

[V1 Rotate]

How is this fair when 1 of the newly transferred pilots tells them that he won't be able to sell his house and move to 1 of your bases and he is told that is ok, do t worry about just stay there and use your FO domicile as your Flex base.

Was this a Panama City guy? About a month ago Panama City mystetiously became a base out of no where.

 

[luckydog]

How is this fair when 1 of the newly transferred pilots tells them that he won't be able to sell his house and move to 1 of your bases and he is told that is ok, do t worry about just stay there and use your FO domicile as your Flex base.

I'm not surprised this is has occurred.

New hires always get several months to move, then an extension for a few more months. As a few FO people have posted here, the move to FJ supposedly is a temporary one, so why force someone to move. I would at least hope they are subject to the non-primary base scheduling rules.

With all the new alternative gateway FJ just opened, I'll bet this will not be the last exception granted.

 

[luckydog]

They will never be Granted special status.

They might just interview better for the Global and Gulfstream manager positions.

After seeing the way the selection process for the Global program worked, I wish them good luck. If the best person applying for the job is a Phenom 300 PIC then at least they'll finally be hiring real line-flying crew members.

Until the airplanes are run like a fleet aircraft, I want no part of it.

 

[chainring]

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My personal feeling about the guys coming over is, great for them (I hope all new hires can make their same salary). I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority, that's when a card campaign will catch fire. And, I'm pretty sure the IBT won't be the top name on ballot.


Kenn has put you guys on a pedestal so you think you are superior. Flex didn't buy Options. This whole thing is just to get rid of the Union. The companies are combining and I hate to tell you but eventually ops is going to be run out of CGF. You will be run by schedulers out of County sooner or later.

Once the Union is gone Kenn will take care of the Options pilots. He's going to get as many as possible onto Gulfstreams and other dedicated crew aircraft and for the moment will go to the bottom of the list which will be adjusted at a later date.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

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My personal feeling about the guys coming over is, great for them (I hope all new hires can make their same salary). I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority, that's when a card campaign will catch fire. And, I'm pretty sure the IBT won't be the top name on ballot.


Kenn has put you guys on a pedestal so you think you are superior. Flex didn't buy Options. This whole thing is just to get rid of the Union. The companies are combining and I hate to tell you but eventually ops is going to be run out of CGF. You will be run by schedulers out of County sooner or later.

Once the Union is gone Kenn will take care of the Options pilots. He's going to get as many as possible onto Gulfstreams and other dedicated crew aircraft and for the moment will go to the bottom of the list which will be adjusted at a later date.

So which one is it.

Is KR and his management team so bad that you nee a union to protect the FO pilots, or is KR the best friend of the FO pilots and can wait to screw over the FJ pilots?

You really can't have it both ways. He can't be satan and your savior at the same time. The world doesn't work that way.

I know you guys way to scare the FJ pilots, but your lack of consistency takes away from your message(s).

 

[doh]

So which one is it.

Is KR and his management team so bad that you nee a union to protect the FO pilots, or is KR the best friend of the FO pilots and can wait to screw over the FJ pilots?

You really can't have it both ways. He can't be satan and your savior at the same time. The world doesn't work that way.

I know you guys way to scare the FJ pilots, but your lack of consistency takes away from your message(s).

You're confused. He's not saying it very well, but he is talking about the SFO FO pilots. Remember, only about one third of the pilots can be SFOs. My fear is a two tiered system where the majority are treated as mere place holders to support the SFO program. It's in the book. I think it was innovative for a start up to cut attrition. I don't think it will work at a career operation where you need everyone on board to assure success.

 

[jetwash]

You're confused. He's not saying it very well, but he is talking about the SFO FO pilots. Remember, only about one third of the pilots can be SFOs. My fear is a two tiered system where the majority are treated as mere place holders to support the SFO program. .

Exactly, it is not all the FO pilot it is just his boys.
From what it looks like TWA knows this and wants to join the SFO club.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I think TWA would make an excellent SFO. There TWA, I said something nice=pay raise for you.

 

[SDCFI]

For the record it does bother me that FO pilots are coming over to FJ to do my same job in my same airplane for more money than me. I only hope the ones that aren't moving to a "gateway" are being put on the same system as FJ pilots who moved to a new base. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out they were also allowed to stay on a fixed 8/7 if that's what they were doing at FO.

How's this for fodder: so far it seems they've all been going to the 45. Perhaps the plan is to move the 45s over to FO when the 75s start coming on line and this is how they're going to staff them?

 

[slowtation capt]

Was this a Panama City guy? About a month ago Panama City mystetiously became a base out of no where.

Further north is the 1 I am referring to.

 

[slowtation capt]

My personal feeling about the guys coming over is, great for them (I hope all new hires can make their same salary). I don't care what seniority they hold somewhere else, at FJ are new hires, and can enjoy all the benefits that come along with that. IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority, that's when a card campaign will catch fire. And, I'm pretty sure the IBT won't be the top name on ballot.

The FO transfers and future transfer pilots are all ready being told to put their names in for dedicated crewing on the 350. Can put it in single or if they can build a team of five together, then the guy with the highest seniority # will be used for aircraft assignment order upon delivery. Also they are being told the G450's are to be operated in the same manner.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

TWA "Seems like your comparison posts aren't having the affect you were hoping for.
". What you can read my mind now?

 

[doh]

We are being told the G450 will be a fleet aircraft. Got that from the presentation at the Waterview during long.

 

[The Architect]

Special Status Granted

IF, they're ever granted special status out of seniority, that's when a card campaign will catch fire. And, I'm pretty sure the IBT won't be the top name on ballot.

In short, in my opinion, the minute the union agreed to this, they (meaning you couple of FI posters), lost the right to try and stir up trouble.

Flexjet "hires" a pilot from Flight Options and pays that pilot more than the new hire pay rate. That is granting that pilot a "special status out of seniority." Normally, a "new hire" pilot gets paid the pay rate for a first year employee.

The union never "agreed to this." The Flight Options pilots that wanted to go to work at Flexjet did so on a Personal Leave of Absence. The Flight Options Pilots CBA allows a pilot to request a PLOA for up to 1 year. The company approves such requests at its discretion. These pilots simply requested a PLOA.

While on PLOA a Flight Options pilot can do whatever he wants or work for whoever he wants, as long as he doesn't work for anyone that "directly competes" with Flight Options unless approved by the company.

Bottom line, Flight Options pilot takes a PLOA with the intent to work at Flexjet. PLOA is granted and effective the day before that pilot is employed as a "new hire" at Flexjet. Flexjet pays that pilot the rate they were paid at their previous job, Flight Options. That pilot is paid a rate much higher than the Flexjet "new hire" rate. KR masterminds and approves the process. Special Status Granted.

 

[shanes123]

That about summed it up.

 

[The Architect]

Base Pay

With OT, bonus, and per diem as an eighth year FO, I cracked $101,000 last paycheck.

The Flight Options rates posted do not include incentive day/hourly pay, fuel bonuses or per diem.

So, you can add more to that amount.

Per diem is 40.80 per day. For a pilot on an 8 & 7 schedule that an additional $8,000 a year, tax free. Yes, they keep all of it. Why? Because when flying through breakfast, lunch or dinner the pilot's meal is delivered to the plane at no cost. Also, on top of that, every pilot has a company credit card for meals with NO LIMIT on the amount they spend for meals.

Incentive day/hourly pay are given for a multitude of reasons. Amounts vary.

And fuel bonuses are something that the majority of pilots receive simply by flying the profiles within reasonable limits. The rate is quarterly and either $250 or $500. And it's in the CBA. So, they can't simply stop it on a whim.

So, a pay rate of $102,000 is more like $111,000+ to $112000+ not including incentive day/hourly pay. And $8,000 of it...is tax free.

This is a little higher than the Flexjet "new hire," or F/O year 1 pay rate. But why let that bother anyone?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yes Architect, the pay of both pilots may be the same in the end, but the problem for the future is the creation of the "B" scale. The pay of a 14/15 year FO PIC may equal the FX year 2 FO. What happens with raises and promotions is the next question.

 

[Downwind]

I'm not sure of the point of this post. Are you putting down FLOPs pilots or Flex pilots? Our most junior CA is on nine year Lear CA pay, I believe. At that rate, that's $128,000 base salary. Our eight and nine year FO's are making around $85,000-87,000 base salary. With OT, bonus, and per diem as an eighth year FO, I cracked $101,000 last paycheck.

Don't forget to thank the union and pilot group that got you that level of pay.

Happy Holidays.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Thanks Downwind. You don't have to remind me. Under the old system I'd be almost at 80 by now and still paying for food out of my own pocket and I upgraded 14 years ago. Happy Holidays to everyone!