FlexJet lays off 25 pilots

[ArtVandalay]

guys had not taken the early outs, we would have furloughed from all 4 types.

There were actually guys that took early retirement?? I really hope the 8 or 12 65+ and the few 72+ year olds would step up and do the right thing here. I mean if you're over 70 and still continue to work after this layoff--THAT IS JUST WRONG. Not to mention, at 72, you shouldn't be here anyway.

 

[Semore Butts]

How old are you Art?

Because if you aren't 72 years old your opinion doesn't mean squat.

You don't know what situation those guys are in. You don't know what situation you will be in when you get there.

I love how the young guys preach all this do the right thing crap.

What you really mean is do the right thing for Art, right?

Of course your tune will change when you become and old guy.

Great avitar! It suits you.

 

[johnnyride24]

So NetJets won>

Last to layoff if they do!!!!!

 

[Propilot77]

They will... And your right they won because they will have furloughed more than any other fractional. It will be a lot more than 30 So by sheer numbers they won by number of layoffs. Believe me they are next.

 

[NachoMamma]

Believe me they are next.

And why exactly should anyone "believe" you? That's funny...I didn't know you where the supreme unquestioned authority on NJ pilot staffing. Instead of believing you, I'd rather just laugh at you...loser.

 

[fly4funcrj]

If it happens, it happens.. Who gives a crap. Netjets has made it clear that they intended to wait out the competition. They did.. Yes, if netjets furloughs, it will be in the 100's.. Why? We have 3000 pilots.. all of the other fracs combined are way less then that. Common sense folks. Instead of shoving each others faces in "my company vs your company", lets hope for the best.

Oh, Mesa sucks

 

[CL300Pilot]

If Flex does what they did back in 2002, the pilots let go were given first recall rights if the company wanted them back, i.e. not problem children and gave them I believe 3 or 4 months severance. Lets all hope this turns around quickly.

On a second note, is there any truth to the statement from a fellow NJA pilot that you guys have a "no fulough" clause and that you will be paying guys to sit at home instead of furlough?

Not trying to start anything, just trying to clarify whether this particular pilot was F.O.S. Thanks.

 

[imacdog]

There is furlough pay (and paid medical) for a limited time in our contract. Nothing about a no-furlough clause that I could find.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Early retirements? I dont think flex did any of that. But we should have. The question was asked to FR at a meeting and he said no, bombardier does not offer those

And the 300 fleet is shrinking too, remember we are selling some of the older planes.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Because if you aren't 72 years old your opinion doesn't mean squat.

You don't know what situation those guys are in. You don't know what situation you will be in when you get there.

Great avitar! It suits you.

I could care less what situation THEY are in. They've HAD a LIFETIME. Most of them 35+ years at the airlines or elsewhere. Why should I suffer because they are ignorant with their finances or they just "LOVE FLYING"? They are grandparents for christ sake. I DO know what situation I'll be in at that age which is exactly why we wouldn't be having this conversation if it were me that was 70 because I have ethical values and morals. I know some of these guys and none of them are here because they HAVE to be. The ETHICAL thing to do here is to let someone who is starting their career have the opportunity they did. They have had their chance, step aside and save someone's family that HAS a future, from turmoil. It IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

 

[GSXR600]

I could care less what situation THEY are in. They've HAD a LIFETIME. Most of them 35+ years at the airlines or elsewhere. Why should I suffer because they are ignorant with their finances or they just "LOVE FLYING"? They are grandparents for christ sake. I DO know what situation I'll be in at that age which is exactly why we wouldn't be having this conversation if it were me that was 70 because I have ethical values and morals. I know some of these guys and none of them are here because they HAVE to be. The ETHICAL thing to do here is to let someone who is starting their career have the opportunity they did. They have had their chance, step aside and save someone's family that HAS a future, from turmoil. It IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

Let's make a mandatory retirement age for Frac pilots, if they dont leave, they will be forced to.
Problem solved!!!!!

 

[notapilot]

It is very unfortunate for those furloughed. Flexjet is not making business decisions based on "waiting" the competition out. We are making difficult business decisions based on our companies projected need. Our long term success is not at risk. This is a temporary solution to a temporary situation. Things will turn around for all industries and we will be able to come out of these times even stronger.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I could care less what situation THEY are in. They've HAD a LIFETIME. Most of them 35+ years at the airlines or elsewhere. Why should I suffer because they are ignorant with their finances or they just "LOVE FLYING"? They are grandparents for christ sake. I DO know what situation I'll be in at that age which is exactly why we wouldn't be having this conversation if it were me that was 70 because I have ethical values and morals. I know some of these guys and none of them are here because they HAVE to be. The ETHICAL thing to do here is to let someone who is starting their career have the opportunity they did. They have had their chance, step aside and save someone's family that HAS a future, from turmoil. It IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

This has got to be one of the most ignorant, self-centered posts I've ever read on FI. And that's saying somthing.

 

[CL300Pilot]

There is furlough pay (and paid medical) for a limited time in our contract. Nothing about a no-furlough clause that I could find.

Thanks Imacdog.

 

[shanes123]

I am with ART..These old guys need to go retire already..Most cant even do the job anymore(or maybe never could) If they love flying so much..take all the money they saved over the last 40 years and buy a plane. Its ridiclous how many guys dont know when to quit already..Theres some of us out here that need the money. This isnt politicaly correct but I know from talking to many fellow pilots its the feelings of many..There just to scared to bring it out in the OPEN..Good for you ART to speak out

 

[Mike Jenvey]

<<<< I could care less what situation THEY are in. They've HAD a LIFETIME. Most of them 35+ years at the airlines or elsewhere. >>>>

<<<< This has got to be one of the most ignorant, self-centered posts I've ever read on FI. >>>>

Yup - despite lots of years of flying, when you have a marital upset, lose your house to the ex-dragon & pay through the nose for too many years of alimony, there are some who do HAVE to work to finance their second marriage! Now, if it's to pay for that little "on the side" honey that the wife doesn't know about, that's different! You have a choice there......

 

[gunfyter]

Yeah ... all those old guys should do themselves in ... instead of sucking up all the health care and SS monies... and retirement monies....

Euthanasia for the old....

Dr Kervorkian anyone?

 

[CherryBomb]

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[CherryBomb]

I could care less what situation THEY are in. They've HAD a LIFETIME. Most of them 35+ years at the airlines or elsewhere. Why should I suffer because they are ignorant with their finances or they just "LOVE FLYING"? They are grandparents for christ sake. I DO know what situation I'll be in at that age which is exactly why we wouldn't be having this conversation if it were me that was 70 because I have ethical values and morals. I know some of these guys and none of them are here because they HAVE to be. The ETHICAL thing to do here is to let someone who is starting their career have the opportunity they did. They have had their chance, step aside and save someone's family that HAS a future, from turmoil. It IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I understand everyone's frustration. I was one of the guys that got cut. I closed on a new house Oct 1st, so this will be tough for me.

That being said, I knew aviation is and always will be susceptible to market changes and layoffs.

We all knew that being a pilot, chances are your gonna loose your job at some point or another. Its still the best job on the planet, but its risky.

If I wasn't able to accept the high risk of layoffs then I would have stood in a different line on career day...

I want to point my finger but that is useless.

I guess its Keystone Light for me for the next few months.......

 

[shanes123]

Understand Cherybomb but its a slap in the face sitting next to these old F*$ts and having them tell you how much money they have and they dont need to work.
Then theres the other half that complain there ex took all there money..YOU MARRIED HER!!! so whos fault is that? Two sides to every story. I am sure all the divorced guys were the perfect husband..Like to hear the exes take on why there divorced..