FlexJet / Flight Options / SkyJet

[Fresh Air]

So far all of the FO crews I have talked to on the road have been very eager to share their views unions and KR. Here is what I have found from the 30 or so pilots I have had the time to really chat with:

Only 3 of the 30 were pro-IBT
Only 10 or so were pro-UPFO
17 were very anti-IBT and feel they are a roadblock to the future of FO

As if anyone on here is gullible enough to believe made-up statistics posted by an obvious anti-union fudster.

Fortunately, nobody on here needs to believe anything that any of us say on this forum. Time and the voting record will tell.

 

[el raton]

As if anyone on here is gullible enough to believe made-up statistics posted by an obvious anti-union fudster.

Fortunately, nobody on here needs to believe anything that any of us say on this forum. Time and the voting record will tell.

Is there more support for the IBT among the former RTA pilots than there is among the original Corporate wings/FO pilots?

 

[slowtation capt]

They like KR and believe he will take care of them if the IBT goes away.
Good luck to us all.

KR can take care of us right now! KR can go to the union and say, here is an LOA raising all Flops pay to Flex pay. Do you think the union would say no? KR can go to HR right now and say re-instate the 401K match. We all ready language in the contract for when it comes back, and no the union did not take it, the company did. KR can do anything he wants that would benefit the pilot group simply by producing a LOA and if it is for the benefits of the pilots I know for a matter of fact, so far as to give up my first born, that the IBT would not turn it done.

KR can do a lot for the pilots, but he is hiding behind the stigma of the big bad IBT won't let me.
They won't let him do something that will hurt the pilot group.

 

[GooseHZ]

Slow is right on the money.

All of us Flying for DAC have to ask ourselves a question.

Do we want a legally Binding CBA facilitated by a Strong fully funded Union or a one page unenforceable document from Management?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

As if anyone on here is gullible enough to believe made-up statistics posted by an obvious anti-union fudster.

Fortunately, nobody on here needs to believe anything that any of us say on this forum. Time and the voting record will tell.

What vote are you referring to? Single carrier? Explain to me how a single carrier vote is going to happen when your beloved IBT doesn't want it?

 

[dime line]

What vote are you referring to? Single carrier? Explain to me how a single carrier vote is going to happen when your beloved IBT doesn't want it?

In your expert opinion, why doesn't the IBT want the vote, they know it has to happen

 

[Seahawk]

Vote for single carrier or vote to decertify. It will be 5 years before you see another contract. Get over it!

 

[doh]

I would hope management are smarter than to fight a war like that.

 

[Seahawk]

Management? It's your "House of Cards" and you have a way out. It's your call.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Seahawk – your photo reminds me of one of our former VP’s of self-importance. A former UAL scab, his nickname was Babbling Bob. [Then again, how can anyone really be a former scab: once a scab…]

Pretty sure only the 1108 can file for single carrier – no matter how many times special ed & his friends try, so I’d look for that filing no sooner than when the 1108 is good ‘n ready.

 

[doh]

Management? It's your "House of Cards" and you have a way out. It's your call.

My house of cards? I'm not Flops. But a protracted fight negatively affected Flops last contract. I would hope management would avoid that this go.

 

[Fresh Air]

What vote are you referring to? Single carrier? Explain to me how a single carrier vote is going to happen when your beloved IBT doesn't want it?

I apologize for the delay in responding to your questions, had a couple of busy flying days and just didn't feel like a dose of Flightinfo after getting to the hotel late.

Anyway, there is no such thing as a "single carrier vote". At a time of its own choosing, the IBT1108 may petition the NMB (National Mediation Board) to conduct an investigation and rule whether or not Flops and Flex are a single carrier. The vote to which I referred would happen after a ruling by the NMB which determined that the entities were in fact a single carrier. That vote would determine whether or not the employees of the carrier desired to be represented or not.

It is my opinion that our IBT 1108 leadership will not file with the NMB as long as a pay disparity exists between our CBA and the Flex pay scale. They know that the Flex crews would never vote to be represented under our current contract, which would result in a huge pay cut for them. Theoretically, the Flex crews could be pay protected by an LOA, but that would really piss off the Flight Options crews who would then be working for the same carrier, with the same seniority as their new brethren, but making a ton less money. So I believe that they will just continue with the current status quo until after a pay raise is negotiated for the Flops crews to bring them to parity.

Finally, I have previously made my opinion of my "beloved" IBT well known. I don't love or even particularly like the IBT, but I understand that they are the only viable option available for us, so I accept the bad along with the good.

 

[doh]

Fresh, that is my prognostication as well.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I don't think that is entirely accurate. If the NMB board rules single carrier, pay is automatically frozen and a new contract is required. Even if options just got a new one on their on. No LOA to protect pay would be required, there is no chance of an automatic instant pay cut for Flex if single carrier status happens. Correct?

 

[FR8DOG777]

good evening Ricci and Rossi, I hope you two bastards are up late reading this from your exquisite Mexican villas. Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us. I look forward to the battle against your insatiable greed. Only this time we will be fighting with the protections of a federally recognized labor contract. Drag our deplorable wages, no 401k match, and deplorable working conditions out for as long as you like. Our pencils are sharp and our eyes are keen.

* Don't make the lower tier too attractive. Remember, says Ricci, that you can't possibly afford to pay all your employees more than they could make elsewhere. If you need salaries to average out at $30,000, you have to pay someone $15,000 for every person you pay $45,000. What you can offer at the lower end is experience.

"You can't afford to give a sweet deal to everyone, but you can find a way to give it to some" Kenneth Ricci

******************** you Kenny!