FlexJet / Flight Options / SkyJet

[GooseHZ]

Without a CBA that may be the only input you have on your future here in the Big Sky.

 

[squawk]

Without a CBA that may be the only input you have on your future here in the Big Sky.

No place at the table, yep.

 

[el raton]

Without a CBA that may be the only input you have on your future here in the Big Sky.

Only time will tell.

 

[Fresh Air]

Ask the IBT why you aren't on Yammer. It is like enterprise social media. Everyone on the FJ side has been enrolled. It allows like pilots all the way up yo the president herself to discuss important items in an open forum.

The IBT refused to all management to have a direct avenue of communication with the pilots that they could not control. It might also have something to do with the fact that it uses your real name. You hig union bullies wouldn't like that.

Oh, and thus thread is a hit topic today. So far you have ZERO support.

So, now that the truth about the Yammer thing has been exposed, how do you Flex crews feel about being lied to by this guy and his fellow managers on this board? What other lies are they spreading to slander our pilots' union, influence your opinion, and more importantly your vote?

 

[shanes123]

TWA just list his cushy job. Boo hoo. Gonna be rough out on line for him.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

TWA just list his cushy job. Boo hoo. Gonna be rough out on line for him.

Holy crap.

When am I getting notified?

Oh, that's right I won't because you are full of crap.

Not sure the personal vendetta you have against me, but all you keep doing is showing how clueless and out of touch you are.

 

[The Architect]

Flexjet Management lies on Yammer

Flexjet pilots share managements false statements on Yammer---

Yammer - Management (DW) - 4/8:

"The company could not allow the crew [Flight Options] on Yammer as the union requests that the company does not message directly to their crew, but through them. I would love to be able to speak with them directly."

"Unfortunately, like I have been talking to you these past days, the union would not allow me doing that with FO crew."

Union Announcement - 4/18:

"...Many of you also informed us you were told by Flexjet pilots you met on the road, who do have access to the Yammer message board, that management had informed them that the Union was responsible for preventing the Flight Options pilots from having access to Yammer...

...Since this is of course untrue, I decided to contact members of senior management in an attempt to clear up any confusion that might have existed and to expressly request that access to Yammer be granted to the Flight Options pilots...

...Regrettably, the request to give Flight Options pilots access to Yammer was denied, which is disappointing since I think Yammer is a forum well suited for dialogue between Flight Options pilots and Flexjet pilots..."

The Flight Options pilot group is used to this. They have experienced this more than once and have tried to share this type of management dishonesty on this forum.

The Flexjet pilot group has just got a taste of management's dishonesty from one of their favorites. That's a hard pill for some to swallow. But swallow it they must.

But more than a few pilots at Flexjet have shared the false statements made by DW on Yammer. It appears some Flexjet pilots have their doubts about their leaderships honesty.

More Flexjet pilots now leaning pro-union.

 

[The Architect]

Anti-Union but Loves the Protection

Holy crap.

When am I getting notified?

Oh, that's right I won't because you are full of crap.

Not sure the personal vendetta you have against me, but all you keep doing is showing how clueless and out of touch you are.

Sometime the most outspoken anti-union individuals love contractual rights they live under...

...Like recall rights at another property.

It's ok. Everything will be ok. The union...and the contract has your back.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Liar Liar Pants On Fire

Looks like Lucy has some 'splainen to do.
Wonder what else she's been lying to you guys about.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=nZ43__Aul3o

 

[shanes123]

Holy crap.

When am I getting notified?

Oh, that's right I won't because you are full of crap.

Not sure the personal vendetta you have against me, but all you keep doing is showing how clueless and out of touch you are.

Dont flatter yourself..its not you alone its guys like you that care only about yourself and not the rest of the pilot group as a whole..Your a self serving AHOLE that will run crying to a union for help as soon as you get your dick in a ringer..Seen it a million times before..Hate the union can't stand the union never ever vote for a union..Then UNION UNION HELP ME!!!

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Dont flatter yourself..its not you alone its guys like you that care only about yourself and not the rest of the pilot group as a whole..Your a self serving AHOLE that will run crying to a union for help as soon as you get your dick in a ringer..Seen it a million times before..Hate the union can't stand the union never ever vote for a union..Then UNION UNION HELP ME!!!

So the only way I can show that I care about my fellow pilots is by wanting your union.

In my years at union carriers the union never once came to my aid since I never asked for it or needed it. If you go to work and do your job per the FOM you don't need a union to protect yourself.

Maybe you should start by asking yourself what things you are doing that make you feel the union may need to protect you from disciplinary action? If you just stop doing those things you no longer need protection. See, problem solved and no union needed.

Wait I just heard from a reliable source that Shanes is going to be brought in and fired tomorrow, no wait he is going to be demoted to FO. No wait, they are going to force him to become CP. That would be the best punishment of all.

Bet my source is just about as accurate as yours is.

 

[GooseHZ]

BTwa19

Will you at least admit your wonderful bosses LIED to the entire Flex jet pilot group about Yammer?

 

[wingsnthings]

Liar Liar Pants On Fire

Looks like Lucy has some 'splainen to do.
Wonder what else she's been lying to you guys about.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=nZ43__Aul3o

I want to get the whole story before I call anyone a liar. Just because a well written post was put on here, doesn't mean it is factual. We all should know that by now.

 

[gret]

Dont flatter yourself..its not you alone its guys like you that care only about yourself and not the rest of the pilot group as a whole..Your a self serving AHOLE that will run crying to a union for help as soon as you get your dick in a ringer..Seen it a million times before..Hate the union can't stand the union never ever vote for a union..Then UNION UNION HELP ME!!!

Hogwash...you need the union because you can't conduct yourself as a human being and want to drag everyone else into your nightmare of a life that is a state of constant worry, despair, and complete lack of self esteem.

 

[luckydog]

Hogwash...you need the union because you can't conduct yourself as a human being and want to drag everyone else into your nightmare of a life that is a state of constant worry, despair, and complete lack of self esteem.

TWA: you have been out bashed, skip a turn.

Shanes, your turn for a witty reply.

 

[Necromonger]

He said, She said.....

BTwa19

Will you at least admit your wonderful bosses LIED to the entire Flex jet pilot group about Yammer?

I'm not convinced that you(FO pilots) aren't the ones being lied to. Maybe you need to Check yourself...

 

[slowtation capt]

On the flip side, I could ask why is the options MEC not communicating with the flex pilots? If they want us to join up, and if they are negotiating fences on our behalf, maybe some communication is in order. Not everyone will listen, but still. Might help with the rumors going back and forth

It's being worked on, but it's got some hurdles. Hopefully soon guys at Flex will be getting communications from the Union

 

[japhy]

What hurdles? Send us a letter. How hard is that.

 

[el raton]

What hurdles? Send us a letter. How hard is that.

Selling a pay cut as a big hurdle.

 

[The Architect]

No Union Needed! Yes! I accept my UNION recall rights.

So the only way I can show that I care about my fellow pilots is by wanting your union.

In my years at union carriers the union never once came to my aid since I never asked for it or needed it. If you go to work and do your job per the FOM you don't need a union to protect yourself.

Maybe you should start by asking yourself what things you are doing that make you feel the union may need to protect you from disciplinary action? If you just stop doing those things you no longer need protection. See, problem solved and no union needed.

Wait I just heard from a reliable source that Shanes is going to be brought in and fired tomorrow, no wait he is going to be demoted to FO. No wait, they are going to force him to become CP. That would be the best punishment of all.

Bet my source is just about as accurate as yours is.

So, don't need a union? But without it... no recall rights.

Seems like the "union" is something needed... at least to that degree.

Going to defer?

 

[The Architect]

Checked. And Checked Again.

I'm not convinced that you(FO pilots) aren't the ones being lied to. Maybe you need to Check yourself...

Checked.

Nope.

Information is correct.

Lies originate with management on this one. Specifically DW.

Ask DW if the union made more than one request for Flight Options pilots to access Yammer. And that access was DENIED.

 

[dime line]

How would you explain a pay cut as a good thing?

No pilot at FO wants to see you guys take a pay cut

 

[dime line]

What hurdles? Send us a letter. How hard is that.

What you think FO management just handed the union a current list of pilots and emails, phone numbers and hm addresses? The union has to make that happen.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

So, don't need a union? But without it... no recall rights.

Seems like the "union" is something needed... at least to that degree.

Going to defer?

Have been deferring for years. Hope to not have to go back to work in a "toxic" union environment. Only reason I would go back would be if things got terrible here at FJ.

 

[FR8DOG777]

And if that doesn't work out for you, you can always write a book and give employment interview seminars on how to land a high paying major airline job flying state of the art equipment like the shady eighty!

 

[el raton]

Question for the FO pilots, what form of integration does your side prefer, A straight date of hire or percentage of seniority? Please never mind the fences, we understand there will be fences in place, however, most of us want to know where we'll be on the seniority list when the pilot groups are combined. And we do understand they will be integrated, just a matter of when and how.

 

[The Architect]

What do you call this?

Have been deferring for years. Hope to not have to go back to work in a "toxic" union environment. Only reason I would go back would be if things got terrible here at FJ.

Nice to be protected by a CBA. Isn't it?

To have an agreement that you can defer recall multiple times.

So much against even considering unionization at Flexjet, but you lived under the protections of a union agreement and continue to use that union agreement even after leaving that carrier.

You probably don't want to get defined as "a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements."

Maybe judging so soon is not the best thing. Perhaps, it would be better to let things continue to play out before being so decisive.

 

[slowtation capt]

Question for the FO pilots, what form of integration does your side prefer, A straight date of hire or percentage of seniority? Please never mind the fences, we understand there will be fences in place, however, most of us want to know where we'll be on the seniority list when the pilot groups are combined. And we do understand they will be integrated, just a matter of when and how.

Unfortunately this is something that is private between the company and union, nothing public has been said or written about the preferred method. But from what I''ve heard, DOH is the preferred choice.

 

[BlueNose]

Question for the FO pilots, what form of integration does your side prefer, A straight date of hire or percentage of seniority? Please never mind the fences, we understand there will be fences in place, however, most of us want to know where we'll be on the seniority list when the pilot groups are combined. And we do understand they will be integrated, just a matter of when and how.

Since the junior FO pilot on property is a 2000 hire, I think we all know the answer to that one, no?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Unfortunately this is something that is private between the company and union, nothing public has been said or written about the preferred method. But from what I''ve heard, DOH is the preferred choice.

DOH
Of course that us what you guys prefer, it benefits you most.

Hahahahahaha

Keep dreaming.

The only way DOH would work would be with a permanent fence that would keep the groups separate.

A more realistic plan would be a ratioed integration of active pilots. Look at where you are on your respective list in % and that is about where you end up on the new list.

Please keep telling us that you want DOH. It will make it easier to keep your union away from our company.