Flex Schedule

[Just Peachy]

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Au Contraire mon ami..... For NJA there are 182 days of work available MINUS two, three, or 4 weeks of vacation. So at the minimum vacation available, you would only work 168 days. Then there is sim twice a year, two more weeks, and ground recurrent which is a week.

And all this with a pretty good salery! .... Who sez unions dont pay.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Sounds pretty good, but I think you're reaching with the recurrent stuff being considered off time. If you're away from home and getting paid for it I'd consider it work. By that standard Flex pilots also get an extra 10 or so days off a year for training (and do pass on to your p.r. people that we do indeed go in for training twice a year). And Flex pilots get 26 days off per year for starters too.

 

[gunfyter]

26 days?

 

[DirtyBeech]

26 days PTO first year. Sorry if that was confusing.

 

[Wiggums]

No, you don't.

You get 10 days of paid vacation your first year. Those extra days they tack on there are out of your regular time off.

At NetJets you would get 21 days for each week of vacation instead of 13 days.

 

[DirtyBeech]

I may be misinformed, but how is the week before and after a NJ's vacation any different than the time before and after a Flex vacation? Other than number of days I'm at a loss.

 

[Wiggums]

Flex is pretty good but...

A new FO who bids down to 14 to match NetJets 7/7 schedule would make $4300 less. On top of that you pay out more for benefits and get less match on your 401k. Looks like no raises this year even NetJets will get a COLA, but there will be a bonus. Oh, and don't forget no sick days for new hires either. Not a bad place to work but those are the facts of the matter.

 

[Wiggums]

I may be misinformed, but how is the week before and after a NJ's vacation any different than the time before and after a Flex vacation? Other than number of days I'm at a loss.

Yes, you get a string of 13 days off, but only five of those are paid. Your pay for the bid period will be the days you worked, plus five vacation days, multiplied by your daily rate.

 

[DirtyBeech]

All that is true, and has exactly what to do with the vacation time mentioned above?

 

[DirtyBeech]

Yes, you get a string of 13 days off, but only five of those are paid. Your pay for the bid period will be the days you worked, plus five vacation days, multiplied by your daily rate.

You're correct, and having a 5 day paid period surrounded by two four day off periods or the equivalent ought not make any difference in your bid period pay.

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

A new FO who bids down to 14 to match NetJets 7/7 schedule would make $4300 less. On top of that you pay out more for benefits and get less match on your 401k. Looks like no raises this year even NetJets will get a COLA, but there will be a bonus. Oh, and don't forget no sick days for new hires either. Not a bad place to work but those are the facts of the matter.

How much of that $4300 goes toward union dues?

 

[gunfyter]

None.

Union dues is about the same as medicare tax. Less than you pay for health insurance.

When ONE of 10 holidays falls on your NORMAL SCHEDULE... you receive Holiday pay ... Working 2 Holidays (that happen to fall on your normal schedule) pays more than a yr of union dues.

On average you will work 5 holidays a yr on your normal work schedule. So the union dues PAYS a 250% return just on holidays.

"What's in your Wallet?"​

 

[frmrBUFFdrvr]

None.

When ONE of 10 holidays falls on your NORMAL SCHEDULE... Holiday pay ... pays more than a yr of union dues.

On average you will work 5 holidays a yr on your normal work schedule. So the union dues PAYS a 500% return just on holidays.

"What's in your Wallet?"​

Just wondering how much it was since I've never worked a union job (military, self employed and 135).

 

[hammer2]

Flex guys this arguement is futile. Let's just admit that NJA has it better. I stay at Flex simply because I like it here. But I'm not going to say I have it better here than I would at nja.

 

[gunfyter]

Just wondering how much it was since I've never worked a union job (military, self employed and 135).

I made a math mistake and corrected it.

I never worked a union job before either.
Leaving the Military I was SHOCKED at how pilots are treated many places.

We (at NJ) have a good deal now. Thanks to the Union that negotiated it, and the management that runs the business side.

I think FJ is a good deal too...

I apologize for coming on like an ass... For years, We took a lot of abuse on these boards for paying union dues while also being the lowest paid... so its like a defensive reflex.