Flex hiring?

[V1 Rotate]

But they should. If single carrier status ever happens and it comes time to integrate then guess which hire date they're going to want to use and then leap frog their fellow Flexjet pilots.

 

[shanes123]

Not saying this is true or false But its not the first time KR has flat out lied about a Deal, new Fleet, More planes or a million other things. I can see why a rumor like this would benefit him right now and then when it doesn't happen, he will just say it was a business deal that we couldn't agree on like CA..Oh wait that was the unions fault!!

 

[Imissmypilot]

Great question.

The answer is, the don't.

The FO DO have to give up their seniority numbers, but if(when) FO merges with FJ, they get to keep their FO hire date at FJ. I suspect that merger is happening sooner than FJ pilots think. Uncle Ken is a sneaky one.

 

[exagony]

Latest or greatest news from Flex???

 

[V1 Rotate]

Latest or greatest news from Flex???

If you're looking to get hired on from the outside then don't hold your breath. Gonna be awhile.

 

[squawk]

If you're looking to get hired on from the outside then don't hold your breath. Gonna be awhile.

You are assuming that FO pilots will take this FJ offer. It will be interesting to see if they do. It could be that very few will want to be stapled. Then again, I don't know how bad it is over there at FO. In any case, it is an interesting scheme.

 

[el raton]

You are assuming that FO pilots will take this FJ offer. It will be interesting to see if they do. It could be that very few will want to be stapled. Then again, I don't know how bad it is over there at FO. In any case, it is an interesting scheme.

Maybe an FO or two who would rather fly a Cl30 instead of a beech junk...and get paid more.

 

[V1 Rotate]

You are assuming that FO pilots will take this FJ offer. It will be interesting to see if they do. It could be that very few will want to be stapled. Then again, I don't know how bad it is over there at FO. In any case, it is an interesting scheme.

True, but don't forget that there are plenty of furloughed guys that may take it.

 

[squawk]

Maybe an FO or two who would rather fly a Cl30 instead of a beech junk...and get paid more.

That's a good point, if FJ acquires so many more CL30s, they would hire into the right seat. I don't think it is going to be a big number exiting from FO to FJ.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Beech JUNK?
Actually the improvements make it a plane I can live with. Uncle Kenn though outside the box and I hope it makes him millions.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Paid more? I'll give up 30k to have a contract.

 

[el raton]

Paid more? I'll give up 30k to have a contract.

Something tells me you're one of those types a union tends to protect.

 

[jetwash]

Maybe an FO or two who would rather fly a Cl30 instead of a beech junk...and get paid more.

No Flex pay match, you are frozen at your current pay for 4 to 7 years and go to the bottom of a list so that you can then have last choice of lines and vacations.

Just a new twist on the old Ricci slide to poverty system.

I hope the Flex guys are starting to see what type of deals Kenn really offers.

 

[luckydog]

No Flex pay match, you are frozen at your current pay for 4 to 7 years and go to the bottom of a list so that you can then have last choice of lines and vacations.

For comparison, 195 days/year (that's 15 days/bid period) pays $69K at year 4 and $78K at year 7.

As a junior guy you'll work 16 days/bid but should be able to get to 15 as seniority increases.

You're right about vacation. Choices improve when there is movement on the list. The prime weeks, Christmas/New Years/Thanksgiving go to the guys in the single digits but it's not too hard to get a desired week if you're flexible.

The value of a Lear or Challenger type to an individual is subjective and can't really be debated but getting out of the Beechjet must be worth something.

Anyone willing to give up 30k for the FLOPs contract is better off staying there and enjoying the protection they're buying.

 

[X-rated]

Paid more? I'll give up 30k to have a contract.

I certainly hope that's not the Union's new marketing slogan.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I'm not speaking for the union. Just like buying insurance, its my personal choice.

 

[X-rated]

I'm not speaking for the union. Just like buying insurance, its my personal choice.

Oh, it was just a little joke. Can't say I understand your logic though, but it's your choice. I work for MONEY and the cash is my insurance. Hope your choices work out well for you in any case.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Thanks X. I hope things work out well for you too. I only have a few years till retirement. MONEY is a good think but making a move to flex leaves me RED CIRCLED (pay frozen) again. Also a factor is the other QOL benefits here. Maybe we'll meet on the road and I'll buy the first cold beer.

 

[BE40Driver]

Flex offer

The Cons out weigh the Pros on this offer to the active FO pilots. The 401K match does not even cover the loss of the meal plan. Loss of Vacation time, domicile, bidding for schedule do to going to bottom of seniority list, and pay frozen for the next 4 to 7 years. QOL and Pay means more to me than a New Shiny Plane.

 

[asdf]

The 401K match is 8 percent (6% + (2% (paid 2x/year). The additional match is based on a formula which is age + years with the company.

Vacation is 3 weeks/year which is really three 5 day blocks. Monday through Friday. 4 days on each side of that week are protected days off.

QOL is probably about the same, think we have similar work rules. I gather this after talking to Flight Options guys in the FBO.

Bidding is on a 28 day cycle, most guys work 16/days per 28 days. The senior guys can get down to 14 days but we are paid per day and it directly affects your pay check.

Rotations are 4/5/6 day trips followed by 3/3/4 days off accordingly based on the length of a trip. IE. A 6 day trip would require 4 off; a 4 or 5 day trip would require a minimum of 3 off.

You can bid up to 7/8 day trips but at this time are not required, I've heard FO management believes we are spending too much money airlining guys on the shorter trips.

Guys in on of the new domiciles have a new scheduling practice which they can now be scheduled to work up to 8 day trips. I think this is similar to Flight OPtions. scheduling.

I get the feeling our new management (Flight Options, KR i guess) does not like our 4 day trips. I used to work a 4 on followed by 3 off, personally I liked it but it has been difficult to get these trips awarded recently.

We do not have union protection.

9 year FO pay is in the upper 80s low 90s. Based on 208 Days per year, which is really 208-15 (vacation) - 7 (PTO) = 186 actual travel work days. 8 days a year you can count for training (6 days long training; 2 days short training) so if you are dallas based those are non travel days.