Flex furloughs again

[Propilot77]

Sorry Guys I meant 16 days, typo

 

[johnsonrod]

Yep yield goes from 15.5 to 14.5. Guarantee pay goes from 16 days to 14 days. That equals a pay cut. I wonder if anyone one else in the company is taking a pay cut. How about you Mr. Greed???? I wouldn't have a problem if everybody was getting a cut to help out the team. But picking on one group is NOT right.

Sounds like Fred Greed is living up to his name... What value has he brought to Flexjet thus far? Anybody? Does he add credibility? Has he earned his VIP status and salary? Why bring him to Flexjet if he has achieved zip????? I realize we are operating in a recession but he should certainly add some value - right?

 

[bunman45]

I believe just a month ago, Mr. Reid was asked during an all hands meeting about pay cuts and he said no way! He said we need to remain competitive in the industry with our pay. Yes! They only reduced the yield, but its a pay cut anyway you slice it. I don't have any faith in Fred and his abilities. He ran delta into chapter 11 and took their pensions, then started up virgin america, which hasn't come even close to making a profit yet. The only thing fred does is wreck companies.

 

[notapilot]

Do not accept any overtime and turn phones off in rest. Getting this group to stick together has proven difficult in the past, but lets stick together on this. We have more control over our situation than some think.

 

[japhy]

I gave Reid the bennifit of doubt when Flex first hired him even though I had doubts about him because of his background, but I've lost all respect for him now. He is flat out lying to us now.

I also heard him at that all hands meeting say no pay cuts. But we just got one. Anybody know if anybody else is taking a pay cut or is it just the pilots??

This has been out for 2 days now?? I've already heard people talking about a union again and not answering their phones and not accepting OT days.

I'm not sure that the fourloughed pilots will want to come back if Reid destroys the good management/pilot relationship that we've had.

 

[NoPlaneNoGain]

Yep yield goes from 15.5 to 14.5. Guarantee pay goes from 16 days to 14 days. That equals a pay cut. I wonder if anyone one else in the company is taking a pay cut. How about you Mr. Greed???? I wouldn't have a problem if everybody was getting a cut to help out the team. But picking on one group is NOT right.

I guess i'm a little confused. Where did you see that guarantee pay went from 16 to 14 days? Just wondering if I missed something.

 

[NoPlaneNoGain]

Nevermind. I just turned my phone back on and saw it.

 

[justmeinmsp]

This will work out great I'm sure. Let's see: 1) terminate 25 pilots, 2) bend the duty and rest rules, to benifit the pilots of course, 3) fire another 60 pilots, 4) downgrade 22 pilots, and 5) reduce the yield, ie paycut for the group. Bear in mind that the rest of the company, office, maintance, dispatch etc have not made these adjustments. Next on the list, I'll bet the bonus is greatly reduced if paid at all and the pay raise that was rumored, by TC himself, will not show. The end result, well you figure it out. Unhappy employees do not equal happy cutomers.
My .02 worth.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Gee what a surprise, the pilot group is taking the brunt of the cuts here. but I cant help but sit back and laugh at everyone complaining. We had our chance for a union and barely anyone stepped up. They can do whatever they want to us because they know we are not going to quit. If they cut pay in the office, say marketing, they'd just go get another job. Thats why pilots need a union.

And the idea of not doing overtime and not answering phones sounds nice on paper but it never works. Pilots always say "my family comes first" so that means they'll take overtime.

In my opinion, all we can do at this point is take it and ride it out.

 

[Flex-ible]

Technically, the reduction in yield is not a paycut, but a work cut. You get the same amount per day, just not as many days. Sorta like The Governator's requirement for state employees to take days off without pay.

The bottom 25 on the new seniority list should be thrilled. That one day per bid period is the equivelent of about 25 pilots flying a full schedule.

 

[notapilot]

You are correct. That means technically they think they needed to get rid of 110 pilots or 25% of the entire pilot group. That seems like entirely too many and very shocking from what was said at the last meeting. This also means they are relying on crews picking up overtime and answering their phones in rest. Just Don't Do It!

 

[JokerFuel]

No offense to anyone, but this is a pay cut. It is diguised as a daily work reduction, but a paycut just the same. As with all pay cuts, you will never see this money again. Guess who is going to profit off of this. Management!!!!! Do you think your Chief pilot and ACP's bid a PBS schedule every month? Do you believe that those guys will see any reduction in pay, or benefits? And guess what, they will still sleep in their own beds every night. How is scheduling and dipatch treating you on the road lately? Are you enjoying the new rest rules? Flexjet pilots are being played. This won't get any better, even when the economy improves. If we can't stand together, then we will be walked all over. It's been less than a year since the raise. Guess what? Your raise is gone, forever. We gave up the chance to dictate our future. We have another chance. Don't piss this opportunity away. You owe it to your contemporaries. You owe it to your passengers. You owe it to yourself. Every airplane you accept should be flawless. That makes it easy to provide "Best in Class" service. Demand the best for your passengers. If OS drops the ball, play it differantely. Catering needs to be spot on. Every facet of this job needs to be spot on. Get on board.

 

[FastJP4]

As far as the All empl meetings - one should consider the speakers history and background and take what's said with a grain of salt.

Sadly, knowing alot of the sr. guys there - they will jump all over overtime and not give a second thought to those on the street.

There is NO unity there for the common good. FG knows this by now, and will work it to the nth' degree.

 

[Propilot77]

I was said here before and I will say it again! They are shooting from the hip with this reductiuon in pilots and pay.This company does a lot of knee jerk reaction. This will bite them in the A$$ if they are not careful. When this market turns we will be so behind the 8 ball we will end up hurting ourselves. Over!

 

[rjcap]

what hire date does the most senior furlough effect ???

 

[Peter_Griffin]

I saw the writing on the wall and left flex after the best opportunity we had for a union drive fizzled. Trouble for you guys is that even if you wanted to vote in a union again, a huge chunk of your positive voting majority just hit the street. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps this is the reason there is no "official" furlough list (as they might retain some voting power for a union drive, no?) History tells you the top 150 and perhaps even the top 200 on the list will never even come close to a majority vote for a union no matter how bad things get. I don't know the numbers from the bottom half, but they would never be able to make up for it. You guys screwed yourselves. As much as I had my issues with RH I don't think he ever would have stood for you guys getting this hosed. I bet he'd be honest with you and tell you from his own experience that without a union, things will not get much better. Rumor has it he left CP when he saw he was beating his head against a brick wall (and not JC as was wildly speculated) I no longer have a dog in this fight so I'll say my peace and wish all of you the best of luck.

 

[can99]

what hire date does the most senior furlough effect ???

The answer is September 2007

 

[DirtyBeech]

As far as the All empl meetings - one should consider the speakers history and background and take what's said with a grain of salt.

Sadly, knowing alot of the sr. guys there - they will jump all over overtime and not give a second thought to those on the street.

There is NO unity there for the common good. FG knows this by now, and will work it to the nth' degree.

Sadly, a number of the senior guys must jump all over the overtime as they managed to outlive their wages.

And no, there is nothing approaching unity in this pilot group.

 

[bunman45]

It's a very weak pilot group we have. I notice a lot of views on the BB threads, but hardly no one voices their opinion. Yet, everybody i run into on the road is upset and pissed off. I just wish people would speak up.

 

[bailey3083]

First I want say good luck to all my former Flex brothers and sisters!
Now here is the problem, back in the fall of 2007 while I was on the union executive board we had enough of the group send in cards to start the drive but everyone wanted to wait until we received a majority of the pilot group so the union would pass. But then the pilot group decided to dance with the devil by the pale of the moonlight and they lost their souls. They were bought off and killed the union.
So I beg everyone there do not fall for an Airline Management tactic which is to divide the pilot group. Stay strong and fight for your brothers and sisters on the street. Refuse overtime, do not do the company favors and fly by the book.
Once again I wish everyone at Flex the best of luck. Unite and stay strong because with strength come power.