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Flex challenging Options for the bottom

FastJP4

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Just curious as to your thoughts on this. At least Options pilots are trying to do something about it. Flex pilot group will allow FG to put them on the bottom and won't do a thing about it.

Welcome to the Frac race for the bottom.

On a brighter thought, it's nice to see that NJ mngmt actually values their employees. Thumbs up.
 

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I could not agree more. The funny thing is Flex management and some of its pilots act and acted like they were/are the second hottest thing at the fractional party. Guys would talk negatively about Flight Options and Citation Shares but honestly I think the real bottom dwellers are starting to be exposed.
 

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I could not agree more. The funny thing is Flex management and some of its pilots act and acted like they were/are the second hottest thing at the fractional party. Guys would talk negatively about Flight Options and Citation Shares but honestly I think the real bottom dwellers are starting to be exposed.

Why would you write something like this?? Do you have a axe to grind against Flex??

I have never found Flex pilots to be anything but courteous and hard working. Now posting about who is racing to the bottom is asinine and petty.
 

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Flex pilot group will allow FG to put them on the bottom and won't do a thing about it.

Tell me, what exactly is the pilot group supposed to do about FR?

Stage a coup? Start a petition on flightinfo?

Oh, right. A union. Yeah, that would make things alllllll better, because no unionized company has ever been run into the ground by poor leadership. :rolleyes:

Before you union drum beaters flame me into charcoal, I suppose I should add that I'm not necessarily anti-union, more anti-teamsters. Not that it matters anymore anyways.


P.S.-

I hope for the sake of Flexjet's reputation that people realize the bad times bring out emotions and that we're not all classless idiots like some of the posts from the past few days might seem to indicate.
 
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eyeamthechosen1

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Why would you write something like this?? Do you have a axe to grind against Flex??

I have never found Flex pilots to be anything but courteous and hard working. Now posting about who is racing to the bottom is asinine and petty.


I agree with what you said about "courteous and hardworking" I didn't say they were not. What I was addressing was the arrogance that I experienced from a group of people and how they looked down on the companies that I mentioned. I don't have an axe grind or anything like that.
 

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First, Citation Shares is a great place to work. I have a couple of fellow Comair refugees that are over there that are very happy. If you see Flex guys giving 'em grief, tell me and I will hand ouit the slaps. Second, I have only heard sympathy for the Option folk. They are fighting a tough battle for parity in a crappy economy. Ditto for them. Lastly, I think it is a bit early to put Flex on the ash heap. But you go ahead with that if you want.:rolleyes:
 

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no doubt. I was talking with a options guy two days ago and he said the only people he gets greif from are the NJ's guys kind enough to say things like

"dont worry we'll take your owners when you guys shut down"
 

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Every group has their contingent of a-holes, I guess.

They definitely don't speak for the majority of us.
 

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I could not agree more. The funny thing is Flex management and some of its pilots act and acted like they were/are the second hottest thing at the fractional party. Guys would talk negatively about Flight Options and Citation Shares but honestly I think the real bottom dwellers are starting to be exposed.

I suppose everyone's experience is different. The Flex guys that I've shared van rides with have always been friendly. Generally, an overall good attitude.
 

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Tell me, what exactly is the pilot group supposed to do about FR?

Stage a coup? Start a petition on flightinfo?

Oh, right. A union. Yeah, that would make things alllllll better, because no unionized company has ever been run into the ground by poor leadership. :rolleyes:

Before you union drum beaters flame me into charcoal, I suppose I should add that I'm not necessarily anti-union, more anti-teamsters. Not that it matters anymore anyways.


P.S.-

I hope for the sake of Flexjet's reputation that people realize the bad times bring out emotions and that we're not all classless idiots like some of the posts from the past few days might seem to indicate.

At this point, there isn't anything the pilot "group" can do. And no, I don't think a union is the answer to all things. I was merely pointing out that FG has a very specific and consistant history regarding his interactions with pilot groups - much to the detriment of said groups. Right now, he's like fox in the hen house - and the fox is hungry.

Just sad to see - could've been a great company with the right person at the helm.
 
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I'll apologize for those J-offs. Good luck to all and hope and pray for the best and a turn around soon.

I think we can all agree on this...

Flight of the Conchords sucks this year...
 

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At this point, there isn't anything the pilot "group" can do. And no, I don't think a union is the answer to all things. I was merely pointing out that FG has a very specific and consistant history regarding his interactions with pilot groups - much to the detriment of said groups. Right now, he's like fox in the hen house - and the fox is hungry.

Just sad to see - could've been a great company with the right person at the helm.

I agree, and that's kind of my point. At no point WAS there anything the pilot group could do about who is hired as the president. That's far above our pay grade.
 

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no doubt. I was talking with a options guy two days ago and he said the only people he gets greif from are the NJ's guys kind enough to say things like

"dont worry we'll take your owners when you guys shut down"

ah, the he said line is always a great way to stir the pot. Gotta love!!
Every thread must mention NJA in some fashion. Can't we have a thread one time without mentioning NJA? Wait, I know the answer to that one.
 

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One positve thing which I really like about NJA management is that they say they are doing everything possible to avoid furloughs and it seems they are being true to their word. Wish others management types who have said such things in the past would have had as much resolve as NJA's leaders.

Wish I could have landed a gig there earlier in my career.
 

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NJ has a stand up management team. Flops had alot of good pilots there at one point. Never had good management. But from what I hear its Most of those senior Kool Aide drinkers left. The good ol boys club (SFO Program) Idiots left. I am sure the union will be gone soon and everyone will be hailing Ken there savior.. GLAD I AM GONE. I had enough of that the first time..
 
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