First SLI thread of the day

[Smarta$$]

And what is with this dispute where Mesaba (and maybe Colgan as well) wants to dispute Pinnacle pilots using there first day of class as their hire date, just the same as Mesaba or Colgan does?

What a bunch of a-#$^@s. Apparently using the same benchmark for all 3 groups is wrong, as long as it creates an advantage for you. No class.

 

[CptMurf]

Colganites can forget about relative seniority. That is NOT going to happen. I was also told by one of our union guys that Mesaba's opening position was 7 to 1, in favor of Mesaba.

You can all F&)*K! off about Pinnacles position.

You were told wrong.

 

[CptMurf]

And what is with this dispute where Mesaba (and maybe Colgan as well) wants to dispute Pinnacle pilots using there first day of class as their hire date, just the same as Mesaba or Colgan does?

What a bunch of a-#$^@s. Apparently using the same benchmark for all 3 groups is wrong, as long as it creates an advantage for you. No class.

Wasn't that specified in the MOU? I doubt the dispute is with this, but has to do more with getting the 9E list corrected to show class date seniority that is correct.

 

[bri5150]

Wasn't that specified in the MOU? I doubt the dispute is with this, but has to do more with getting the 9E list corrected to show class date seniority that is correct.

I've heard this in three different places now. I don't have a problem using Pinnacle's DOH as the first day of class. If what I have heard a few times actually happened (big if), I would lose the last shred of respect I have for Pinnacle pilots and/or the ones that represent that pilot group. Oh, and Smarta$$'s last few posts have already made me lose respect for him. At least Flyer and Doin' Time are cordial in their posts even though I disagree with what they say most of the time.

 

[Kaman]

"Turn out the lights the party's over...All good things must end...the party's over" This should be the epitaph of the wonderful results we've had by voting for this "holy grail" aka JCBA. And, YES I am bored and my flu-ridden...long-term training...type ride and fatigued body will not let me sleep. bri...Thanks for the grammar lesson too by the way! I usta fly da Beach 1900, so I am kinda dumb...But can outfly any Jet U clone! Flame away trolls!!!!! PEACE OUT...How is that for my normally sane, measured and well-thought out response? Yes, I AM LOSING IT...

 

[suupah]

I've heard this in three different places now. I don't have a problem using Pinnacle's DOH as the first day of class. If what I have heard a few times actually happened (big if), I would lose the last shred of respect I have for Pinnacle pilots and/or the ones that represent that pilot group. Oh, and Smarta$$'s last few posts have already made me lose respect for him. At least Flyer and Doin' Time are cordial in their posts even though I disagree with what they say most of the time.

What did you hear?

 

[suupah]

Colganites can forget about relative seniority. That is NOT going to happen. I was also told by one of our union guys that Mesaba's opening position was 7 to 1, in favor of Mesaba.

You can all F&)*K! off about Pinnacles position.

Opening positions are much diff then final proposals man. geez.

 

[suupah]

And what is with this dispute where Mesaba (and maybe Colgan as well) wants to dispute Pinnacle pilots using there first day of class as their hire date, just the same as Mesaba or Colgan does?

What a bunch of a-#$^@s. Apparently using the same benchmark for all 3 groups is wrong, as long as it creates an advantage for you. No class.

I'm pretty sure that is not what the dispute is over.

 

[bri5150]

What did you hear?

This. I just hope it wasn't intentional.


SLI Update: May 24, 2011
As you know, yesterday morning Arbitrator Bloch requested an updated seniority list from each Merger committee. After those updated seniority lists were exchanged, the Mesaba Merger Committee found numerous discrepancies in one of the other airline's seniority list that, if left uncorrected, could have had serious implications.

Your Merger committee has an obligation to ensure accurate data is used in the construction of the seniority list that will accompany Mr. Bloch's decision. The discrepancies apparent in the other airline’s updated list were identified and questioned, which in turn highlighted a few issues that must be resolved before the lists can be combined.

Unfortunately, this has caused a delay in Arbitrator Bloch's award. This evening Mr. Bloch has stated that he hopes to release his award before the end of this week. Since the onset of this process, your Merger Committee has placed the accurate representation of seniority list data as a top priority, and this priority has not changed. We will provide you with another update tomorrow.

 

[Captainzero1]

What kind of dumbass airline uses the day you pass a checkride as date of hire, what the hell were you in training leading up to the checkride?

 

[Inconceivable]

What kind of dumbass airline uses the day you pass a checkride as date of hire, what the hell were you in training leading up to the checkride?

An independent contractor. Not even kidding.

 

[suupah]

delete

 

[Smarta$$]

I've heard this in three different places now. I don't have a problem using Pinnacle's DOH as the first day of class. If what I have heard a few times actually happened (big if), I would lose the last shred of respect I have for Pinnacle pilots and/or the ones that represent that pilot group. Oh, and Smarta$$'s last few posts have already made me lose respect for him. At least Flyer and Doin' Time are cordial in their posts even though I disagree with what they say most of the time.

And I give a crap what you think? I have held my tongue for weeks while you all said how unfair Pinnacle had been with their seniority list proposals. Now the truth is that XJ starts with 7 to 1???

I have no respect for the attitudes I have seen on this board from XJ, and you. So, I have no respect for you.

 

[gojo]

And I give a crap what you think? I have held my tongue for weeks while you all said how unfair Pinnacle had been with their seniority list proposals. Now the truth is that XJ starts with 7 to 1???

I have no respect for the attitudes I have seen on this board from XJ, and you. So, I have no respect for you.

Wow, just wow. You are a real piece of work.

 

[Kaman]

Still feeling like hammered doggie-doo...

 

[RJLoser]

Feel free to correct me but....

The argument is that there are issues with the seniority dates of furloughed XJ pilots that came to PCL who did or did not return to XJ when the recall was offered.

 

[Inconceivable]

Feel free to correct me but....

The argument is that there are issues with the seniority dates of furloughed XJ pilots that came to PCL who did or did not return to XJ when the recall was offered.

At this point, yes. Earlier there were also issues with the updated list that 9E sent as provided by management containing old and incorrect data that conflicted with the earlier certified list. It has been said that this issue has been resolved.

 

[coonass]

I would rather Bloch get it right the first time. Go ahead and get the disputes out the way before the list comes out then dispute it in court after the binding list comes out, and a few guys in question take it up the cornhole an nothing can be done. Hell, if you were the one who was going to get screwed because of a honest mistake, wouldn't you like for someone to find the mistake and fix it before its too late and you can't fix it?

 

[CptMurf]

And I give a crap what you think? I have held my tongue for weeks while you all said how unfair Pinnacle had been with their seniority list proposals. Now the truth is that XJ starts with 7 to 1???

I have no respect for the attitudes I have seen on this board from XJ, and you. So, I have no respect for you.

Without going to far into this... I will say you got bad intel. Your source is wrong. If you want correct info, talk only to an SLI negotiator. We have all received bad intel before, so, I still respect you. Just not your source.

 

[higney85]

The company already complied with the JCBA and changed DOH to class date. That's where XJ has an issue. It's in the contract and "class date/DOH" differences don't exist in the list. Everyone is on parity but the dispute was that some wanted 9E to be forced to use "checkride DOH" instead of class start date like the other 2. The MOU pilots were also in play.

 

[SEVEN]

This is one big cluster! I can't wait to see the comments when the list is out. What 9E moron told the SmartAs$ that XJ was pushing for 7:1. I can't believe someone would believe that crap. You guys better make up quick, the SLI potluck is right around the corner.

 

[Kaman]

OK...Back to sanity here...I think that DOH for SLI purposes should be based upon when an individual started class...This is a way to somewhat level the playing field in one area and prevent some angst later on when the "award" is released.

 

[mesaba13]

Of course is should be based on class dates. I don't think this dispute has anything to do with class/date vs PC.

 

[bri5150]

Of course is should be based on class dates. I don't think this dispute has anything to do with class/date vs PC.

I couldn't agree more. If this delay is based on whether or not 9E pilots should be able to use their DOH as opposed to PC date, I sincerely apologize.

 

[RJLoser]

i would rather bloch get it right the first time. Go ahead and get the disputes out the way before the list comes out then dispute it in court after the binding list comes out, and a few guys in question take it up the cornhole an nothing can be done. Hell, if you were the one who was going to get screwed because of a honest mistake, wouldn't you like for someone to find the mistake and fix it before its too late and you can't fix it?

........+1

 

[Vertigo37]

Sir/Ma'am (cause I don't know)...I can assure you that is what is being disputed. There were screw ups with some of the info the company provided----and it is administrative. As Higney noted, there is a lot more to this I'm sure. Hopefully this works out and we can have a list soon.

 

[suupah]

This is one big cluster! I can't wait to see the comments when the list is out. What 9E moron told the SmartAs$ that XJ was pushing for 7:1. I can't believe someone would believe that crap. You guys better make up quick, the SLI potluck is right around the corner.

ummmm, your name gives it away. kinda obvious.

 

[dingo222]

Sir/Ma'am (cause I don't know)...I can assure you that is what is being disputed. There were screw ups with some of the info the company provided----and it is administrative. As Higney noted, there is a lot more to this I'm sure. Hopefully this works out and we can have a list soon.

im not buying this. the list was certified months ago by all three mec's. this isnt an administative screw up. this sounds like the pcl mec is trying to wheel and deal and bring up issues now that the list was complete. All three mec's had their chance to present their arguments to Bloch. Now is not the time to bring up new angles and ideas.

 

[xjhawk]

look up this......ALPA DOH definition as concerning merging.......the date is the date in which a pilot BEGINS being paid for pilot services. I am just saying................

 

[Smarta$$]

im not buying this. the list was certified months ago by all three mec's. this isnt an administative screw up. this sounds like the pcl mec is trying to wheel and deal and bring up issues now that the list was complete. All three mec's had their chance to present their arguments to Bloch. Now is not the time to bring up new angles and ideas.

Except it is Mesaba with the dispute. The 9E MEC isn't trying to do anything, except let us all use class date for DOH. Some apparently want 9E not to use their class date.