Fired!

[Positive G]

How does termination from non union regional reflect upon chances of hiring on with a major? Total and PIC time not being a factor.

 

[TWA]

What were the circumstances?

 

[JT12345]

When you mean Major Airline are you talking about size or pay?


Pay wise there aren't too many left.

 

[LearLove]

Well, i'd wager to guess the reason for being terminated may just trump the union/non-union issue.

The same thought would also pertain to whatever is on his/her resume. It won't matter how much test pilot, lunar landings or 747 pic time you have, if you were fired because you ran up and down the terminal naked and then rubbed your a$$ cheeks on the chief pilots desk and computer keyboard, I would think you may get some interview questions twards explaining yourself/termination long before HR asks you about your quals or union views.

 

[TheInsider]

What is a "brazila"?

 

[Positive G]

Major airline as in any step up from regonals obviously not major pay. My ? is has/can it be done? What advise dose anyone have to give? How does privious employment history come up at an interview? Is this some thing that is looked into before you even get a call for interview, such as PRIA? Obviously can't hide it, it would look bad if company found out on their own. So how would one explain their screw up at a company that did not belive in a second chance. Would an airline even consider an aplicant with a black mark?

Thanks

P.S. Flight related no incident or accident and unfortantly no streaking up and down the terminal. A story I will tell over a cold beverage not over the internet.
They say there are those that have and those that will. Hope it dosent happen to you.

 

[Erlanger]

P.S. Flight related no incident or accident and unfortantly no streaking up and down the terminal. A story I will tell over a cold beverage not over the internet.
They say there are those that have and those that will. Hope it dosent happen to you.

Are you the one that floated the flight attendant on a ferry flight and popped the IDG?

 

[Captain Overs]

Major airline as in any step up from regonals obviously not major pay. My ? is has/can it be done? What advise dose anyone have to give? How does privious employment history come up at an interview? Is this some thing that is looked into before you even get a call for interview, such as PRIA? Obviously can't hide it, it would look bad if company found out on their own. So how would one explain their screw up at a company that did not belive in a second chance. Would an airline even consider an aplicant with a black mark?

Thanks

P.S. Flight related no incident or accident and unfortantly no streaking up and down the terminal. A story I will tell over a cold beverage not over the internet.
They say there are those that have and those that will. Hope it dosent happen to you.

Those that will? sorry, you won't see me conducting a flight with blatant disregard for regulations.

 

[VxClimb]

8500 hours plus time in a brazila!!!! you have nothing to worry about.

 

[FlySacto]

Are you the one that floated the flight attendant on a ferry flight and popped the IDG?

No way it was him. Didn't you read his screen name?

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Depends...

Posted this on the Majors section as well. In this troubled indistry how does termination from a non union regional reflect upon chances of getting hired at major. Total time and PIC time not being a factor.

Depends on what you were fired for, doesn't it?

If you got a DUI or a drug infraction you can forget it. Your best bet would be to get a lawyer, spend whatever it takes, and get it expunged. Yes, you can do it, I know 3 guys that got DUI and possession charges expunged. Cost them between $10k and $25k to get it done, but they did, and it never happened.

If you were fired for a judgement call, and it is subjective, you'll probably be ok. It's all in how you present it. I normally would not recommend it, but if this is the case, you might try doing an interview prep, tell the pro's what your problem is, and they will give you professional interviewing advise on how to address it.

A failed training event can go both ways. At my last interview, there was a guy that had over 10,000 hrs, mostly PIC on an RJ. He was interviewing at GoJet for a PIC position on the CRJ-700. Previously, he was a United Express Captain and got hired at United, but he ended up needing an extra sim session during training, for whatever reason. "No problem", his instructor told him. He was scheduled to take the extra sim on Monday, the day before his checkride, and United announced lay-offs that weekend (the 1000). United said they would not give him the extra sim that they had no problem giving him the week before, and terminated him based on performance, instead. Now he has a failed training event on his PRIA record for the next 5 years, and his previous airline won't take him back. That guy didn't get hired that day because of that.

Presentation is everything. Spending money preparing for an interview is worth it if it's for the right reasons. Just don't PFT!

 

[clippyrip]

When you mean Major Airline are you talking about size or pay? Pay wise there aren't too many left.

Major airline meaning they won't have to fly one aircraft domestically for the rest of their career.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

If you were fired for being an incompetent idiot, you have a future waiting for you in airline management.

Send me your resume.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

What is a "brazila"?

Imagine an ERJ with propellers.

 

[91100 100 set]

What is a "brazila"?

Isn't that a style of personal grooming popular with the ladies these days?

 

[Erlanger]

Are you the one that floated the flight attendant on a ferry flight and popped the IDG?

My bad. I meant the ADG.

 

[Raoul Duke]

You are screwed, any termination looks terrible on your record no matter what the cause. Africa is hiring

 

[Colonel Savage]

If you were fired for being an incompetent idiot, you have a future waiting for you in airline management.

Send me your resume.

Frank, I gotta say, you crack me up. I don't know who you are, but you got it down to a science!

 

[Colonel Savage]

Would an airline even consider an aplicant with a black mark?...They say there are those that have and those that will.

Of course an airline will consider a pilot with a black mark. You fly long enough, stuff happens. You learn lessons, vow to "never do that again", etc. The problem is that a interview or a phone screen dealing with the issue is a very subjective thing, and the devil is often in the details.

For that reason, no one can really help you without a pretty good idea of what happened and exactly why they fired you. Were you forth coming and honest when questioned about it, or confrontational and dissembling when trying to explain? Was it a safety of flight issue or a off-duty company policy infraction on a layover (e.g.-the "Pinnacle guy")?

 

[jetpig32]

Were you fired or forced to resign? Each will have different paperwork in your file. Where was ALPA on this? Unless, of course, you fly those aircraft at SKYW.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

What is a "brazila"?

The landing strip hair styling popular among young women.

 

[waveflyer]

Those that will? sorry, you won't see me conducting a flight with blatant disregard for regulations.

There's always someone like this. Good job- perfect pilot.

 

[glasspilot1]

What is a "brazila"?

A regional turboprop made by Embraer. Not many out there anymore. For awhile they had a problem with props falling off.

 

[LITCHAT7]

the colonel is right. We cant really help without some specifics (yet I know airing things out on a public board can be difficult.....especially with some of the judgemental motherf'krs we have here). Was in your situation last year. I wont sugar coat it. It sucks. Although I wasn't fired, I quit before I was (and I did'nt deserve it). I asked for help here but people here seem more intent on knowing how "you" f'd up rather than help. Anyway all I can say is your in a dire situation. Especially in todays hiring environment. I had 5500 hrs, a degree, type in a crj at the time and could'nt land a regional job swinging gear. I was ready to start hauling plastic dog poop at a 135 cargo operation in a fricken navajo! Yet I was lucky. My wife had a great contact at Spirit. I interviewed with them initially on my own merits and they passed on me when they heard my story from my previous airline. My wife then emailed her contact and explained how I got f'd over and that I needed "a break". The cheif pilot (who is super cool) called me up to hear my story. I gave him names and numbers of people who could validate my story. He checked it out and confirmed it to be true, and gave me a break. I was lucky. Unfortunatley in a normal interview situation, the panel has many candidates to pick from without "issues" and will simply dismiss you and move on to the mass. The point is your not in a good situation. I even sought the help of a proffesional to spin my story with a positive twist to sell the interview panel, yet that did'nt work. You need to network as much as possible to find someone that can give you "a break". Or if you cant, do the doo! That plastic dog sh#t hauling I spoke of. Or go to a piece of crap airline like Mesa (even though you'll take a lot of heat). Gotta do what you gotta do! Or just get out while you still can!

I feel for ya man.....like I said I was there and I would'nt wish it on anyone. Just keep plugging away. Good luck!

 

[LITCHAT7]

A regional turboprop made by Embraer. Not many out there anymore. For awhile they had a problem with props falling off.

I think he was joking (brazilia vs brazila)

 

[Black Hawk]

Blaming the failure on the company or a bad instructor (even if true) is a sure way to have an unsuccessful interview. If you take responsibility for the failure and mention the steps you've taken to improve you'll look a lot better.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Presentation is everything. Explaining the attempt to upgrade into the Brazildo after being a RJ F/O for a short while, was a less than optimal personal career choice, even though it has been done before, would go a long way to explain the situation. We all have had to overcome hurdles in this industry, now you have yours too.
PBR

 

[Long Time Gone]

Imagine an ERJ with propellers.

Once again, please RTFG. He's questioning what a "brazila" is, like in the poster's profile. He's not questioning what a "Brazilia" or an EMB-120 is.

 

[AbOvo]

I had a friend call me about his job interview with an airline. He was going in there knowing he would have to explain his DUI from a few years prior. I coached him a little bit and he ended up getting the job despite his issue, it is all about the presentation. It does not get much more dumb than a DUI but some people try. I would guess that the guys who popped the ADG will have a tough time finding pilot work for at least a few years.

I explained to my friend that he needed to answer the DUI question with something like

"While I do regret putting myself in the position of getting a DUI I do look at it as a turning point in my life. Prior to the DUI I was on a path that would have resulted in unfortunate circumstances and the DUI was a harsh learning experience that I needed. I wish that I could have figured out the problem before that point but I made significant changes in my life and have maintained a better life since that time."

Take responsibility and show the interviewer that you

A. Take responsibility
B. Show that you learned from it
C. You have changed your ways based on tangible information.

 

[Cardinal]

Brasilia.

One "s", one "l".

#@*%!