Finding a Safety Pilot

[MauleSkinner]

"Holding out" only applies to commercial operations. Since this guy is advertising for someone to just ride along and look out the window (which is required by regs when wearing a view limiting device), I don't see how that applies. Now if the situation were reversed and he put up a flyer advertising his Safety pilot services for a fee...

The CFI idea is a good one. However, I wouldn't call a CFI stupid if they expected to be paid for giving dual instruction, which is exactly what they will be doing as "safety pilot."

Well, not exactly..."holding out" is one of the things that MAKES it a commercial operation. No money need change hands for the FSDO to call it a 135 operation.
Depending upon how the flyer is worded, and whether they actually land at another airport, I could see how an FAA inspector could twist this into "holding out". They could say that the safety pilot is "paying" (with his safety pilot services) the guy providing the airplane to go somewhere, which WOULD be a 135 operation were it actually the case. The fact that you're willing to use anybody (remember, you're putting up a flyer for everybody), rather than someone you normally fly with, would support this reasoning.

135 violations have been built on not much more than this, unfortunately.

Fly safe!

David

 

[Tonala2k]

Commercial Opperation.

Consider this.

Safety Pilot is a 'Pilot in Command' privilege, as such, should the safety pilot not be commercially rated that pilot must pay at least the pro-rata share.

If the Safety pilot is not paying than the safety pilot is opperating commercially. If the safety pilot has anything to do with obtaining the plane than the safety pilot is charter.

Man! this stuff is rough!

 

[NW_Pilot]

Well, not exactly..."holding out" is one of the things that MAKES it a commercial operation. No money need change hands for the FSDO to call it a 135 operation.
Depending upon how the flyer is worded, and whether they actually land at another airport, I could see how an FAA inspector could twist this into "holding out". They could say that the safety pilot is "paying" (with his safety pilot services) the guy providing the airplane to go somewhere, which WOULD be a 135 operation were it actually the case. The fact that you're willing to use anybody (remember, you're putting up a flyer for everybody), rather than someone you normally fly with, would support this reasoning.

135 violations have been built on not much more than this, unfortunately.

Fly safe!

David

Also the safety pilot being able to log the time could be considered compensation.




I know from Experience! I posted a flyer at 2 FBO's I got a call while driving with the wife 2 days later Guess who????? Ring, Ring, Hello, I here your looking for a safety pilot, I said yes - well this is so & so with the FSDO just a friendly warning Posting a flyer is considered holding out I asked what’s holding out was a private pilot did not know the Fed Explained and told me it needs to be in passing & word of mouth.

 

[nosehair]

Probably someone, somewhere, used "safety pilot" as a ruse to actally carry a pax point A to B. That's sad. First I've heard of going after safety pilots.

 

[MauleSkinner]

Probably someone, somewhere, used "safety pilot" as a ruse to actally carry a pax point A to B. That's sad. First I've heard of going after safety pilots.

My understanding of this specific instance is that they're going after the guy trying to keep instrument current...he's the one that posted the flyer, and "holding out" applies to the guy "advertising", right?

David

 

[NYCPilot]

make sure the safety pilot is at least a private pilot. No need to be instrument rated, but this helps so they know whats going on. They must also have the category and class with a current medical.

 

[PA28 Freight]

pm me and i'll help you out. I'm in Chicago.

 

[sky37d]

AOPA has a web page for pilot mentors.
It also has a page for those requesting mentors. Try posting there first.
These are people who said they will volunteer their time.

 

[sky37d]

If the safety pilot could potentially be the PIC, make sure that they meet your open pilot warranty clause on your insurance.

It has always been my understanding that the safety pilot can not log the time, hence, they are just along for the ride, and it can't be part 135, but I'm just a dumb private pilot, what do I know.

 

[Tug Driver]

Don't bank on it Troy. When I was a CFI i charged for my services and thats the way most CFI's operate. You may whore out the profession yourself but most CFI's will expect to be paid.

good call Lequip

If your talking to me its $45, flight or ground... We need to come up as an industry.

 

[groundpointsix]

Same here. I'm on salary and I'll still bill you for it out of respect for my employer and the guys who are paid hourly at my school.

 

[troy]

I see your point. I do not advocate working for free. If a person only has a commercial and was asked to act as a safety pilot, would you still want them to bill them out?

I wouldn't sign anything nor would I give "instruction" unless it's understood that formal instruction would result in a fee of some sort.

Again, I do see your point about working for peanuts and such.

 

[troy]

oops, dual post.

 

[bobs98tlr]

PM me if your interested...im RFD...Im in a flying club. C172 (IFR/U) $70/hr wet....C182 (IFR/U) $85/hr Wet..Let me know if you want to split time anytime. What airport do you fly out of? 06C? If you do then PM anyways with who you flew with, i might know ya.

 

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

I actually stared up a webforum for pilots at the flight school i work at. Can't go wrong i know a handful of our planes have flown a bit more because of it, and it gives customers more of a chance to interact with eachother besides the minute or two before or after flights.