Final Agreement reached

[PCL_128]

How would a deal reached prior to the arbitration ruling be ratified? Just blessed by the arbitrator or back to the phase we're in now?

It's likely that the arbitration panel would simply delay their ruling to allow time for the vote to take place. If the vote failed, then they could then release their own ruling. Whenever possible, arbitrators do what they can to allow the parties to come to their own consensual solution rather than issuing a binding ruling.

 

[On Your Six]

It's likely that the arbitration panel would simply delay their ruling to allow time for the vote to take place. If the vote failed, then they could then release their own ruling. Whenever possible, arbitrators do what they can to allow the parties to come to their own consensual solution rather than issuing a binding ruling.

Didn't Nicalau give hints to the USair guys during their arbitration on how he thought they should settle the list with AWA and instead got the brush off and insistence on DOH? That didn't end the way those guys expected it to.


OYS

 

[Lear70]

I would assume during negotiations, each party discussed the staffing matter. Gary has been very open about the fact we do not want to staff the flying which would require a third set of crews. The revenue stream will not support it. So the diluted doh ratios were set up to not only incorporate the offset of retirements, but also that additional man you are talking about. Hence why they arrived at the blended doh solution.

I'm kind of surprised it's taken this long to all come to an understanding on this. I think we have talked about it in length.

Because no one ever told us that GK himself said that they didn't want to fly the late night flying going forward. We've actually been concerned that they WOULD keep the red-eyes and CDO's which most of us hate. Unfortunately, dropping them has this side affect.

You had one on one lunch with the lawyers? Uh huh.

And you're sharing the inside info they divulged with you on FI? Uh huh.

I smell an agenda.

You don't like anything I say so I really don't care if you think I have an "agenda". And I didn't say "I had lunch one on one with them". Just as we broke for lunch quite a few of us approached the podium where all 20 or so reps and legal were sitting to talk to various reps, but no one went down to the attorneys, so I did and spent about half an hour of the lunch period talking with them, then we went upstairs and joined everyone for lunch.

And no, I'm not divulging the large majority of what we said, was just acknowledging that some people on YOUR side of the table were RIGHT about SOME things moving forward.

No reason to get snarky.

 

[madjack]

Thanks for the info Lear, this thing sucks for both sides...we'll see what happens

 

[Empennage]

Because no one ever told us that GK himself said that they didn't want to fly the late night flying going forward. We've actually been concerned that they WOULD keep the red-eyes and CDO's which most of us hate. Unfortunately, dropping them has this side affect.


You don't like anything I say so I really don't care if you think I have an "agenda". And I didn't say "I had lunch one on one with them". Just as we broke for lunch quite a few of us approached the podium where all 20 or so reps and legal were sitting to talk to various reps, but no one went down to the attorneys, so I did and spent about half an hour of the lunch period talking with them, then we went upstairs and joined everyone for lunch.

And no, I'm not divulging the large majority of what we said, was just acknowledging that some people on YOUR side of the table were RIGHT about SOME things moving forward.

No reason to get snarky.

Lear,

He stated this long before negotiations on multiple occasions. This has been discussed at length.

 

[Lear70]

Lear,

He stated this long before negotiations on multiple occasions. This has been discussed at length.

You hear a lot on Flightinfo... not all of it is always 100% accurate. That had never been mentioned from OUR MEC, so I never gave it much thought until yesterday, that's all.

 

[Empennage]

You hear a lot on Flightinfo... not all of it is always 100% accurate. That had never been mentioned from OUR MEC, so I never gave it much thought until yesterday, that's all.

It has been all over the press. Additionally he has been quite open about it with his management. CM talked about it at the roundups and Gk has at the message to the fields.

I have a hard time believing it comes as a surprise. This shows you how different the staffing numbers are between the airlines. You staff the third set of crews for cdo and redeyes as well as additional crew members on reserve. We staff a significantly less number of reserves.

 

[Lear70]

There's a difference in not liking the 717 (which we've heard a lot) to hearing that they for sure were not going to continue the night flying operations.

We've been told by our Scheduling Department managers that the red-eyes and CDO's were still being analyzed and would continue for the foreseable future.

You hear a lot of stuff back and forth, I'm actually kind of shocked that the late-night flying will die, and I'm glad... I hate that flying and avoid it at all costs.