FedEX or UPS?

[satpak77]

Take the job and have comfort in knowing that there are literally THOUSANDS of pilots who have MORE time than you that can't even get an interview.

dude total time doesn't make the total pilot.

if that were true 10,000 hour Cessna 152 drivers would be at the head of the line, in front of 3500 hr mil pilots or 5000 hr RJ captains

to answer the guys question, the fact that FedEx originally got started as an air cargo airline might push the ball over to the FDX court. UPS came into air cargo as a derivative of the trucking side.

both would likely be outstanding career places tho

later

 

[Echopapa]

Let the market decide:

FDX $94.60
UPS $72.42

Why do you think that FedEx stock is valued 20%+ more then UPS.

P.S. Look at the stock history for the last two years. They used to be roughly equal. So.........clearly the market favors FedEx over UPS for their current business model.

 

[Wiggums]

Let the market decide:

Share price doesn't not indicate the value of a company. The market value of all of FedEx - $29.5B, and all of UPS - 81B. Moreover, UPS trades at a P/E of almost 25 while FedEx only trades at 20.5. Going by those metrics I'd say the market has more faith in UPS.

Consider this, UPS has over $5B cash, while Fedex has only about $1B.

Where would I work? Either...please.

 

[Purpledog]

Let the market decide:

FDX $94.60
UPS $72.42

Ahh the stock issue. The one mistake I did make when I got the job. Three years ago FDX was trading for 47 and I didn't buy any. Analysts say ours is poised to hit 140 by years end, so I'm not buying now 'cause if I do it will surely drop back to 47.
-Buy high, sell low- Pilot investing 101

 

[Clyde]

How long does it take to hold a DH line?

psysicx,

At Brown, it really depends on fleet and seat. As an FO, one will more than likely be a lineholder on the domestic 757 from day one, reserve goes very senior on this fleet. Now, whether or not the lines are DH's or commutable will depend on what's offered each bid period. The bottom third of the lines available tend to be the less-than-desireable ones. Not always, but most of the time. Some originate and land here the entire bid period and some have DH's at both ends.

As an international FO, (and this is a rought estimate), from what I can see I would say at least 2-3 years on reserve. Just under 5 years seniority, and I could just now start holding a line on the international, and they weren't DH's. All originate here. I could have my pick of reserve though. Right seat on the MD-11 for example would also yield me reserve only, but that will change as more MD's show up.

If you go to the panel on the 747, plan on being on reserve until you upgrade to the right seat. I don't know about the other fleets and seats.

Now, with all of that said, it could very well change when our labor contract is finally ratified. Scheduling changes and the possibility of a lot of retirements of FE's over age 60 could change a lot of things, so what I wrote to you above is strictly the way I see things now.

I hope this helps,

- Clyde

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

Any chance of getting hired at either UPS or Fedex without knowing someone? I meet the qualifications but don't know anyone at either. Thanks.

 

[Hoot R. Hunter]

Bottom line is you can't go wrong with either choice.

Man, I wish I had a buck for every post that ended with the above quote just four and a half short years ago when the merits of UAL vs AA vs DAL vs NWA were being debated. I'd be permanently wasting away in margaritaville.

Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. Best of luck with your decision.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.....

 

[flybrowntails]

ups fedex
coke pepsi
kentucky indiana
Nike Adidas
rap hip-hop

really isn't all just the same--opinions--

sometimes when the waiter says "what will you have?" you just gotta know and make a decision.

im personally a coke guy but if offered i would have enjoyed the refreshing taste of an ice cold pepsi.

 

[semperfido]

dr pepper

 

[Clyde]

Any chance of getting hired at either UPS or Fedex without knowing someone? I meet the qualifications but don't know anyone at either. Thanks.

I don't want to say the odds are 100% against you, but post-9/11 the odds are stacked against someone without knowing anyone at Brown.

But, if you haven't done so already, throw in your app online and keep it updated. The most it will cost you is a few minutes on the keyboard. The worst thing that can happen is that you won't get called. But, a slim chance that they may call is still a chance nonetheless.

And who knows, you might run into someone down the road at one of the two who can help you out. First thing they may ask is if your stuff is in AND current.

 

[Echopapa]

Share price doesn't not indicate the value of a company. The market value of all of FedEx - $29.5B, and all of UPS - 81B. Moreover, UPS trades at a P/E of almost 25 while FedEx only trades at 20.5. Going by those metrics I'd say the market has more faith in UPS.

Consider this, UPS has over $5B cash, while Fedex has only about $1B.

Where would I work? Either...please.

It is my understanding that a high P/E ratio reflects that the stock is OVER VALUED. Which means that FedEx, while trading amost 20% higher than UPS, is still a better value.

I don't understand your argument on the sheer size of UPS capitalization. United used to have 12000 pilots.....what did that do for them? Size is no guarantee for stability. Compare the small size of the flight departement at UPS to the total company size and you will see that UPS will always be a trucking company that owns a small airline.

That said, they are both great companies and it won't be until you retire that you will find out if you have made the right choice.

 

[Rhoid]

Ex-Marine, I thought there were no ex-Marines. Anyways, nice problem you have. I have several friends at Fed-Ex who got me an interview there. They didn't seem to worried about their reputations when I turned down the Fed-ex interview to come to UPS. I'll throw a little brown into the mix. I'm new at UPS so you'll have to see through all the kool-aid I've been drinking. I like it here so far. Training is first class and it is on the FE panel. Some people may disdain it, but it is an easy way to get your feet wet in the company for a year maybe two. You are not looked down upon in the least as an FE. Almost everyone here was an FE at one time or another. The upcoming classes are having a greater number of FO's. Since new hires are going into the right seat, the company is paying senior FE's FO pay until they have a chance to upgrade. It is a little more complicated than I just said, but that is the gist of it. The company is very stable, but it is a trucking company that has airplanes. Being a former Marine you might like that. I feel very comfortabe here and everyone seems generally happy with life. Very different vibe than you get with most pax airlines. I won't say much about contract negotiations. The union seems very sharp compared to ALPA. We'll see. Rumor has 747-400's on the way. International flying is looking to increase. I'm sure you know the domiciles. Highly recommend you live at one. Scheduling seems more flexible with dropping and adding trips at Fed-ex than here. Benifits here are great. Retirement seems great, but I don't know if it will hold up for the next 25 years at either place. First year pay sucks, it's criminal. The new contract is supposed to address that. Your year starts the day you start, not when you finish training. The company does give you a hotel room until you finish IOE and perdiem as well. All uniforms, luggage, and a flight bag are given to you. I don't know what else to say. Recommend you go with whoever gives you a warm fuzzy. You can't go wrong with either place. PM me if you have more questions.

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You are certainly lucky to fly A-10s in the MI ANG in addition to working for UPS to supplement your meager first year income. Just remember that UPS IS A STABLE COMPANY WITH GREAT BENEFITS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR UPGRADE. So enjoy SPENDING TIME WITH FAMILY, MAKING BEER, PLAYING GUITAR.

 

[kevdog]

I think what rhoid is saying is he will never get a job at either.

 

[TexaSWA]

It is my understanding that a high P/E ratio reflects that the stock is OVER VALUED. Which means that FedEx, while trading amost 20% higher than UPS, is still a better value.

I don't understand your argument on the sheer size of UPS capitalization. United used to have 12000 pilots.....what did that do for them? Size is no guarantee for stability. Compare the small size of the flight departement at UPS to the total company size and you will see that UPS will always be a trucking company that owns a small airline.

That said, they are both great companies and it won't be until you retire that you will find out if you have made the right choice.

Price of stock alone tells you nothing. You have to look at the number of outstanding shares on the market as well. a $1 stock with 1000 shares out there is the same a $2 stock with 500 shares.

High PE = Bad you are correct

 

[VABB]

Let the market decide:

FDX $94.60
UPS $72.42

Why do you think that FedEx stock is valued 20%+ more then UPS.

P.S. Look at the stock history for the last two years. They used to be roughly equal. So.........clearly the market favors FedEx over UPS for their current business model.

How about comparing accident and safety records. To the best of my knowledge, UPS has 0 hull losses. I think FedEx has somewhere around 5, and that was within a 6 year period.

Is it true that FedEx is just one more hull loss away from losing their insurance?