FedEx Jumpseat update

[active_herk]

For all of you wondering where we are in the jumpseat process:

On the 8th of April, the US Court of Appeals ruled in favor of FDX ALPA against FDX management with regards to the contractual interpretation of jumpseats. This ruling overturned a lower court decision, and will allow the matter to now go to an arbitrator (assuming FDX doesn't try to bring the motion up to the US Supreme Court). Thankfully this is a step in the right direction in allowing us the ability to welcome offline pilots in our cockpits, and will hopefully shed some light on the fact that our union is not sitting idly by, but is taking an active stance in this fight. To see the text of the ruling, visit: http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/dc/opinions/04opinions/04-7062a.pdf#search='047062%20Federal'

 

[chase]

Always glad to give to help out the FEDEX guys....we all appreciate you pushing the noodle on this one....a positive step for all who commute professionally or occasionally.

 

[FoxHunter]

It appears the Appeals Court ruled in favor of the us in great part due to the fact that we were represented by the independent FPA at the time.​

This whole cockpit jumpseat issue messs is a direct result of the unions success in stopping non-crewmember FedEx employees from jumpseating in the cockpit. Non-crewmember cockpit jumpseaters were the norm at FedEx .​

From the Appeals Court​

>We know the grievance was filed on behalf of FedEx pilots because, at the​

time of filing, their exclusive bargaining agent was the FedEx​

Pilots Association, which represented only them. We know this​

as well from the grievance itself: “This grievance is filed by the​

[FedEx Pilots Association] on behalf of all FedEx pilots and the​

[FedEx Pilots Association]”; and “this grievance” seeks “to​

correct management’s manner of dealing with the FedEx pilots​

and [the FedEx Pilots Association] with regard to jumpseat​

issues . . . .” We also must assume that a favorable resolution of​

the grievance would promote the interests of the FedEx pilots​

because they would again enjoy the privilege of traveling free of​

charge on the aircraft of other carriers who had reciprocal​

jumpseat agreements with FedEx.<​

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

pushing the noodle

Isn't that what you end up doing when overindulging in tequila?

 

[SNIZ]

FDX in CASS on NWA?

Any Fedex folks had any luck utilizing CASS to access cockpit jumpseats on NWA for commuting? I think I read here recently that United was up and running but I haven't seen anything on the other carriers. I called Jumpseats at FDX and they didn't have much information. Thanks.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

With or without CASS FedEx Pilots always welcome to jumpseat

 

[TrapAv8r]

While in training with FedEx, is it possible to jumpseat on FedEx or Northwest to Raleigh to visit home?

 

[TonyC]

It appears the Appeals Court ruled in favor of the us in great part due to the fact that we were represented by the independent FPA at the time.​

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"In great part", huh? Let's analyze this.

From the Appeals Court​

>We know the grievance was filed on behalf of FedEx pilots because, ...

Does it say the outcome was based on the representation? No. It says the court knows the grievance was filed on behalf of FedEx pilots because it was filed by the pilots' CBA. Was there any other way to determine the same? Why, yes, and it's stated in the very next sentence.

We know this as well from the grievance itself: “This grievance is filed ... on behalf of all FedEx pilots ...

This whole cockpit jumpseat issue messs is a direct result of the unions success in stopping non-crewmember FedEx employees from jumpseating in the cockpit. Non-crewmember cockpit jumpseaters were the norm at FedEx .​

What the Union did was reaffirm the Authority of The Captain on the FlightDeck - - plain and simple. What was the norm was for the Company to determine who would ride in the cockpit jumpseats, and the Captain could deny their admittance to the flightdeck only at his own peril.


The FPA had its time and its purpose, but they are now past. Get over it.

Now that you're no longer a member of ALPA, how are you spending your dues money? <NO G>

 

[VaB]

It looks like TonyC is off IOE. How'd that work out for ya?

 

[FoxHunter]

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Now that you're no longer a member of ALPA, how are you spending your dues money? <NO G>

Wisely

 

[klhoard]

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Now that you're no longer a member of ALPA, how are you spending your dues money? <NO G>

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[FedEx1]

Well, yeah, when a nonpilot rides up front and BARFS all over the captain, then that captain loses his medical for 6 months because of the sickness he got from it... well, yeah, it is hard to see why the pilots want to keep non pilots from being up front.

That is just one story of sooo many. People not keeping a sterile cockpit, taking flash pictures right before final so the crew is blinded and has to do a go around, having to go back to the gate becuase a jumpseater freaked out due to claustrophobia.... it got to a point where safety was being compromised again and again. And the captain HAD to take the jumpseater up front, or be suspended, and possibly fired.

I'd love to welcome everyone back on the seats in the back. And all pilots to the front. Hopefully, that will happen soon.

Oh yeah, about time Tony got back...

 

[TonyC]

It looks like TonyC is off IOE. How'd that work out for ya?

It was lovely.


I'm hoping to get a lot done around the house on my RA days.

 

[TonyC]

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Huh?? Please clarify. . . .
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Log on to ALPA site, then: Non Members


(2 lines below Cheever)

 

[VaB]

Log on to ALPA site, then: Non Members


(2 lines below Cheever)

And 2 above another infamous name. What kind of sandwich does that make?

 

[klhoard]

Log on to ALPA site, then: Non Members


(2 lines below Cheever)

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Well, it sounds like he's proud of it. . . .
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I look at it as eating dinner with your buds, then skipping out on the check. . .
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BTW TonyC - congrats on the new job; you're a braver man than I!!!
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[fox3]

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Tony C,
YGBSM. Two lines below Cheever? He's the reason I quit going to AOL board -- now he's here -- perfect. He obviously has character issues.

 

[SNIZ]

TrapAv8r

You'll get your FDX ID by the end of the first week of indoc and then you'll be cleared hot to jumpseat on FDX or carriers we have agreements with...they'll give "jumpseat academics" sometime in indoc too.....do's and don'ts etc. Good luck.

 

[TonyC]

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BTW TonyC - congrats on the new job; you're a braver man than I!!!
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One should be careful not to confuse bravery with stupidity!


The fine folks in 727 Training, the patient LCAs, and the generous folks in Standards deserve all the credit, but thanks, Keith

 

[fr8doggie]

Tony C,
YGBSM. Two lines below Cheever? He's the reason I quit going to AOL board -- now he's here -- perfect. He obviously has character issues.

You should have read him ten years ago on the old Compuserve AvSIG board. Actually, you are reading him because he's still got the same "I got mine" point of view. At least most of the old FEPNO group figured out what was going on have now become solid members.

Regards,