FedEx Jumpseat 101 for regional pilots

[ATRCA]

Like you guys can talk....I have Fedex crew hopin a ride all the time ( I mean all the time)...so tired they just hand the material over....No prob with me! We are on the same team...or did Fedex change leauges? I guess you guys can fly the ILS better than us regional pilots....what was I thinking...have fun watching that sun come up on the arrival into EWR.....sorry, just a little mad with hoo ha bitts 101 guide......you guys are always welcome on the jumpseat....j

I'm with you here. I routinely have FX jumpseaters to MEM and who knew the whole time they thought we were just a bunch of kids in desperate need of a little public humiliation on FI. As if we don't get enough of it from our codeshare partner JSters.

 

[Purpled]

I'm with you here. I routinely have FX jumpseaters to MEM and who knew the whole time they thought we were just a bunch of kids in desperate need of a little public humiliation on FI. As if we don't get enough of it from our codeshare partner JSters.

Engrish prease! Better suggestion, don't write like you speak, write so that people can understand it.

Humiliating enough? Re-read the beginning of this thread. It is not a commuter-bashing thread. Here's a guy passing on his observations and their possible consequences and you get offended and upset.

 

[Mr Wu]

While we're on the "101" subject, here's some schooling while jumpseating on the 1900. While you are always welcome and don't have to ask me for a ride you must understand that if you're the last one on the airplane I don't have time to talk to you. I don't have acars and a fleet of dispatchers working my numbers for me, I have to do them myself and I have to do them before I leave the gate. Make your introductions to the F/O at the bottom of the stairs, give me your J/S form and talk to me when we get to the destination.

Here's one for everybody........How about a "thanks for the ride" when you're leaving the airplane?

 

[jdec141]

Use a smaller brush next time you paint your masterpiece here. It will probably prove to be far more useful. The only thing you accomplished here was to typecast yourself and some of your peers.

obviously you are not the one this thread was addressing and i'm sure you've set everyone straight that doesn't do it your way!

Relax, i don't think this was meant to bash anybody. I doubt the guy that started this thread has probably even checked it again. He knew that someone would start throwing rocks.. I've seen a lot of positive responses here which I think was what the first guy was trying to get accomplished. Who cares if it is on an anonomous post. We're here aren't we?:beer:

 

[freeflyer14]

... and I want you to stand there in that faggoty pilot uniform with that Embry-Riddle mouth extend me some f**king courtesy!

Classic! Bonus points to you sir for managing to work that quote into the discussion.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

... and I want you to stand there in that faggoty pilot uniform with that Embry-Riddle mouth extend me some f**king courtesy!

Wow.. how original Jack..... Was it movie night?

 

[KarmaPolice]

The title for this thread is probably one of the most condescending thread titles I've seen in a while. I consider myself a "professional" jumpseater. I travel on lots of different airlines, follow the same etiquette every time and have had nothing but good experiences. Your thread title assumes that the majority of us "regional" pilots are new to the airline business and unaware of industry norms.

No, instead what you had were a couple of a$$holes that you should have educated. I have had several "Major" pilots display exceedingly poor jumpseat etiquette on my flights before. I didn't however come on an anonymous forum and lambaste an entire group. As an aside, it has been my experience that military pilots have some of the poorest jumpseat ettiquete as the concept is new to them.

Use a smaller brush next time you paint your masterpiece here. It will probably prove to be far more useful. The only thing you accomplished here was to typecast yourself and some of your peers.

So let me get this straight, you're offended by this thread's generalization of regional pilots (a baseless claim), then you go ahead and generalize military pilots? Nice move. So not only did you show yourself to be an over sensitive pansy, but you also look like a whiny hypocrite.

And I could care less if it's true or not about military pilots. Point is, you do exactly what you were whining about someone else doing. Pretty amusing.

 

[Purpled]

Wow.. how original Jack..... Was it movie night?

He was just continuing the reference I had made in an earlier post.

 

[Purpled]

So let me get this straight, you're offended by this thread's generalization of regional pilots (a baseless claim), then you go ahead and generalize military pilots? Nice move. So not only did you show yourself to be an over sensitive pansy, but you also look like a whiny hypocrite.

And I could care less if it's true or not about military pilots. Point is, you do exactly what you were whining about someone else doing. Pretty amusing.

KP,

Good point. BTW, he not only generalized military pilots, but fedex as well[in his last paragraph].

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

He was just continuing the reference I had made in an earlier post.

Copy that... :0

 

[dually]

Having been a 121 guy for 22 years I know the drill. I was taught the particulars as a new hire in 1985, BUT, I must say that some gate agents make the js very misleading to someone not up to speed on the procedure.
They give you a ticket with a seat number and say " youve got it".
I can see how a new pilot could be mislead and mess up the protocol.

 

[dually]

Having been a 121 guy for 22 years I know the drill. I was taught the particulars as a new hire in 1985, BUT, I must say that some gate agents make the js very misleading to someone not up to speed on the procedure.
They give you a ticket with a seat number and say " youve got it".
I can see how a new pilot could be mislead and mess up the protocol.

 

[dually]

duh ! slow puter.

 

[ATRCA]

So let me get this straight, you're offended by this thread's generalization of regional pilots (a baseless claim), then you go ahead and generalize military pilots? Nice move. So not only did you show yourself to be an over sensitive pansy, but you also look like a whiny hypocrite.

And I could care less if it's true or not about military pilots. Point is, you do exactly what you were whining about someone else doing. Pretty amusing.

Hah, glad you liked it. At any rate, I stand by it. Adios.

 

[Scrapdog]

Agreed! It goes for any pilot Military or Civilian. Maybe it was one of their first jumpseat rides. If you want to help them out... explain the rules. They were possibly intimidated by you guys. Don't burn them at the stake or make them pay for it later in their careers by blacklisting them. Just a thought. JR

Come on - intimidated or not, shaking a guys hand and introducing yourself is called common courtesy, which is learned in the home when you're about 3. And I don't think the guy is condescending at all...he's making a very valid point about ensuring you always present yourself in the best possible way, you never know who you're going to meet in life. First impressions are huge. It's funny how the RJ guys are already turing this around. Heck, I'm a military guy and trying to get on with FDX and I don't even have the oppurtunity to jumpseat...if I did, I'd be shaking every FDX guys hand and thanking them as soon as I got in the jet.

 

[Purpled]

I'd be shaking every FDX guys hand and thanking them as soon as I got in the jet.

That attitude will get you far...hopefully onto the property. Good luck.

 

[dojetdriver]

Well, if it makes you feel any better. Couple months ago, we had a FedEx jumpseater. We were willing to put one of our own guys on the FA jumpseat (which is a little "skectchy" right now) so the FedEx guy could sit up front and BOTH guys get home. The FX guy was still in the boarding area, I got out of the plane, walked across the ramp, and looked for him in the boarding area before he got frustrated and left the gate. I told him we could work it out and he will make it home that night and escorted him out to the airplane. I explained to him how we were going to get him on the aircraft.

It worked out that it didn't come to our guy on the FA seat, but we were willing to go that far to help the guy (FedEx) out. He has a tough commute out of ANC and probably would have had to spend a additional night away from home had he not made it, ect.

When I found him in the boarding area, he's wearing tennis shoes. Not the black sort of formal looking tennis shoes, bright white tennis shoes. If I tried to JS on one of YOUR (FedEx) aircraft, can I wear tennis shoes (bright white ones) as long as I ask politely for a ride?

Also, after all the work of trying to get this guy on board, having it work out, ect, he didn'e even bother to thank us for the ride when we got him home.

If you guys went the extra mile (for whatever reason) to get me on one of your flights, could I just walk off YOUR aircraft without saying "thank you"?

It's not just us "regional pilots" that need to be schooled on jumpseat protocal/etiquette.

 

[Scrapdog]

Well, if it makes you feel any better. Couple months ago, we had a FedEx jumpseater. We were willing to put one of our own guys on the FA jumpseat (which is a little "skectchy" right now) so the FedEx guy could sit up front and BOTH guys get home. The FX guy was still in the boarding area, I got out of the plane, walked across the ramp, and looked for him in the boarding area before he got frustrated and left the gate. I told him we could work it out and he will make it home that night and escorted him out to the airplane.

It worked out that it didn't come to our guy on the FA seat, but we were willing to go that far to help the guy (FedEx) out. He has a tough commute out of ANC and probably would have had to spend a additional night away from home had he not made it, ect.

Well, when he comes out to meet us, he's wearing tennis shoes. Not the black sort of formal looking tennis shoes, bright white tennis shoes. If I tried to JS on one of YOUR (FedEx) aircraft, can I wear tennis shoes as long as I ask politely for a ride?

Also, after all the work of trying to get this guy on board, having it work out, ect, he didn'e even bother to thank us for the ride when we got him home.

If you guys went the extra mile (for whatever reason) to get me on one of your flights, could I just walk off YOUR aircraft without saying "thank you"?

It's not just us "regional pilots" that need to be schooled on jumpseat protocal/etiqhette.

Nope - you're right, it's not just regional pilots that can use a little help on personal etiquete, it's all of us. However, IT WAS a couple of RJ pilots that gave echopapa a hard time for him bringing up to light that his particular situation had an RJ guy involved and the RJ guy royally screwed himself out of a great situation. I was saying that I thought it was interesting that a couple of RJ guys were trying to turn it around, when in fact they should be thanking echopapa for enlighting everyone to always be sure you're on your A game everytime you make a first impression.

 

[Purpled]

DJ,

Actually our jumpseat policy(both for us and off-line folks) does allow for sneakers and jeans. But to be honest, I wouldn't count on all the captains even knowing that, so I would dress like a normal jumpseater.

None of this, however, would excuse us going into the terminal in such attire. I think if we've learned/exposed anything from this thread it is that bonehead moves come in all shapes and sizes and backgrounds.

 

[dojetdriver]

DJ,

Actually our jumpseat policy(both for us and off-line folks) does allow for sneakers and jeans. But to be honest, I wouldn't count on all the captains even knowing that, so I would dress like a normal jumpseater.

Well thats great that you guys can do that on your OWN airline, but does that mean it is acceptable to do it on ANOTHER airline? I could be wrong but I thought that the ALPA JS guide says somethig about looking professional, busines class, ect. My FOM lays out the reciprocal list as well the the proper JS attire. Nowhere does it say that a particular airline is exempt from that dress code jsut because they can do it on their own airline.

I can grarantee you that if I tried to JS on ANY other airline wearing tennis shoes, I'd get a lecture about it. Even if I was an MD-11 CA at purple. Does it ever occur to some people that there may be other JS'ers riding as well? If they have to conform to dress code, why should anybody else get a pass?

I wouldn't have even bothered posting in the first place had the guy said thanks for helping him get home, tennis shoes or not. That'w not what bothered me about it. But is somebody is going to look unprofessional as well as be inconsiderate considering how far we were willing to go to help him out, well......

 

[Purpled]

Well thats great that you guys can do that on your OWN airline, but does that mean it is acceptable to do it on ANOTHER airline? I could be wrong but I thought that the ALPA JS guide says somethig about looking professional, busines class, ect. My FOM lays out the reciprocal list as well the the proper JS attire. Nowhere does it say that a particular airline is exempt from that dress code jsut because they can do it on their own airline.

I can grarantee you that if I tried to JS on ANY other airline wearing tennis shoes, I'd get a lecture about it. Even if I was an MD-11 CA at purple. Does it ever occur to some people that there may be other JS'ers riding as well? If they have to conform to dress code, why should anybody else get a pass?

I wouldn't have even bothered posting in the first place had the guy said thanks for helping him get home, tennis shoes or not. That'w not what bothered me about it. But is somebody is going to look unprofessional as well as be inconsiderate considering how far we were willing to go to help him out, well......

Dude, re-read the first sentence of my second paragraph, then edit your post to not look soooo stoooopid.

 

[dojetdriver]

Dude, re-read the first sentence of my second paragraph, then edit your post to not look soooo stoooopid.

Dude, don't get so hostile and insecure right away. If you are going to name call, you are forfeiting all biching rights, sorry.

 

[Purpled]

I guess what I meant to type was, grow up and admit mistakes. We all make them everyday.

 

[dojetdriver]

Due to your gentleman-like retraction, I have erased the evidence.

I wasn't saying sorry to you. I was saying that if you are going call names, I'm sorry for you, because you are not mature to argue a point without calling somebody "soooooo stooooopid".

Get it?

 

[JethroF15]

Dang... you girls crack me up!:nuts: Can you say Cat Fight!

 

[jdec141]

I wasn't saying sorry to you. I was saying that if you are going call names, I'm sorry for you, because you are not mature to argue a point without calling somebody "soooooo stooooopid".

Get it?

I figure if you are smart enough to only quote half of his post then you are also smart enough to read the second half that says the same thing you do before you go and reply.

 

[Purpled]

Dang... you girls crack me up!:nuts: Can you say Cat Fight!

I tried to type, 'I'm defending our honor,' but could stop laughing at that. I guess it's time to call in well.

 

[skiandsurf]

As a jumpseater, yes you should always "ask" for the ride. You should also dress and act appropriate. You should NOT have to beg or bring cookies. Some airlines, UAL, it is called OMC (Observing Member of the Crew). You are essetially a "crew member". You cannot drink. If there is an emergency, you might be called upon to assist.

As all of us are just trying to pay the bills and commute to work, the last thing we need to worry about is possibly pissing off "almighty captian" because someone is tired or just having a bad day.

And yeah, ALWAYS say thanks on the way out.

( side note.....I was going to jumpseat on UAL this one time. The plane was late inbound. The outbound pilots were standing next to the gate agent. When I checked in, the gate agent told me that the Captain was standing right there so I could talk to him. He and his FO heard all of this and IGNORED me. I didnt want to interupt their conversation. The plane arrived, and they went onboard without saying a word to me. I left that gate and caught a ride on AA instead).

 

[flyboyike]

J/S cookies for the flight crew (goes without sayin')

I like oatmeal raisin or molasses. I DON'T like chocolate chip. Just so y'all know.

 

[dually]

To all you RJ crews.
Many thanks for all the rides. You always go above the call of duty to get me on and yes I wear a tie etc and say thanks .
To FedEx pilots. Didn,t JL put out an email saying something about ties when off line jumpseating ???