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I'm like a fly on the wall. All I'm tellin ya is what I heard first thing this morning. So before you chop me up for lunch meat I must say this is the word in finance. Finance and HR have been going back and forth 100....70...80...0........ok. how about that 70 for a week or so. I hope the best for everyone, but FedEx has been hit by the economy too guys.
MadDogPilot
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No, no, no one wants to make meat loaf out of you. But you need to state your source if your are going to post this sort of flamebait. Who said it, where were you, stuff like that?
I noticed you asked about the FedEx gouge a while back, so I assume you are not there now?
I don't believe any rumors, only the stuff I hear from source, ie, KD. Otherwise, I would never get any sleep!
Paddle, paddle, paddle...
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(Just correcting a typo before the spelling police get after me!)
I noticed you asked about the FedEx gouge a while back, so I assume you are not there now?
I don't believe any rumors, only the stuff I hear from source, ie, KD. Otherwise, I would never get any sleep!
Paddle, paddle, paddle...
Elvis Lives!
The Mad Dog
(Just correcting a typo before the spelling police get after me!)
Wow,
If your rumor is true (no hiring until mid-2004) then the old folks at finance must be more than willing to pay for overtime. The manning for s/o's in the boeing has already been significantly affected by military callups (this according to the gal I turned my mil paper work into today). The callups she is talking about are 1yr, 2yr, and even a few 5yr mil leaves. I've gotten calls over the last two weeks from crew scheduling trying to "draft" me to fly. Plus, more open time in the back of the boeing since I've been here (15 months). I'm not trying to say l have any real insight into the future of FedEx hiring. That's way over my pay grade. It just seems unlikely to me this rumor will come to pass. I certainly hope it doesn't for all you poolies out there. Keep the faith and I'll be listening for any "positive" rumors out there.
T-38dude
If your rumor is true (no hiring until mid-2004) then the old folks at finance must be more than willing to pay for overtime. The manning for s/o's in the boeing has already been significantly affected by military callups (this according to the gal I turned my mil paper work into today). The callups she is talking about are 1yr, 2yr, and even a few 5yr mil leaves. I've gotten calls over the last two weeks from crew scheduling trying to "draft" me to fly. Plus, more open time in the back of the boeing since I've been here (15 months). I'm not trying to say l have any real insight into the future of FedEx hiring. That's way over my pay grade. It just seems unlikely to me this rumor will come to pass. I certainly hope it doesn't for all you poolies out there. Keep the faith and I'll be listening for any "positive" rumors out there.
T-38dude
JethroF15
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Posted by twgordy:
And all we're asking ya is where did ya hear it? Voice in the shower? Paul Harvey? Mom's friend's sister has a boyfriend who's lawn guy's son has a teacher who has a stepson who is a janitor at FedEx?
It's great that you are passing on information for the rest of us but when you post something that goes against everything everyone else (most with credibility) have been saying then I have to question the source. And I really question the source when NONE is given.
If what you are saying is true then... That's really bad news. Just like for you to back it up with some additional information.
And all we're asking ya is where did ya hear it? Voice in the shower? Paul Harvey? Mom's friend's sister has a boyfriend who's lawn guy's son has a teacher who has a stepson who is a janitor at FedEx?
It's great that you are passing on information for the rest of us but when you post something that goes against everything everyone else (most with credibility) have been saying then I have to question the source. And I really question the source when NONE is given.
If what you are saying is true then... That's really bad news. Just like for you to back it up with some additional information.
One of the more senior pilots I know says he has a "reliable source" in finance. I certianly trust his advice as he has been with the company over 15 years and has loads of contacts. I asked an individual in managment later that day about his comment. He said it certianly sounds possible. But you know how rumors start on Friday and have been forgotten by Monday.
I don't know about anybody else, but as one of 63? poolies out here in never-neverland, I hang on every "thread" (pardon the pun) of news concerning class dates and hiring. If it's a common opinion that there won't be any training until mid 2004, I NEED TO KNOW!! I base my family's lifestyle on the opinion that I will start training this year. If not, (and I HAVEN'T been told this by reliable sources, such as KD in Hiring) I will have to begin "backup plan" occupation searches. I have hesitated to do that as a matter of ethics; why feign honest commitment to an organization knowing I would leave (by June, according to most sources) before establishing any decent relation in a long-term business environment?
My bottom line is, I have every faith that FedEx will call me soon. The numbers alone mandate at least a minimum (ie., drain the pool) hiring commitment this year. Think about this (and feel free to shoot down my numbers); 727 S/O training should be able to handle about 24/month, historically. Also, historically (aside from last year's November class) no training occurs from Oct to Jan due to peak season. So from April to September that's 6X24 or 144. If FedEx needs 150, FedEx must START TRAINING IN APRIL. If FedEx needs 100 FedEx must START TRAINING IN JUNE. That's based solely on capacity, not need. I know business is not based on pilot quotas, but I think (I hope) the training should be starting fairly soon.
All this comes from a poolie who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM THE INSIDE. THAT'S MY CAVEAT!!
Flame-proof suit fully zipped, Nomex gloves on, visor down...ready for flame...
My bottom line is, I have every faith that FedEx will call me soon. The numbers alone mandate at least a minimum (ie., drain the pool) hiring commitment this year. Think about this (and feel free to shoot down my numbers); 727 S/O training should be able to handle about 24/month, historically. Also, historically (aside from last year's November class) no training occurs from Oct to Jan due to peak season. So from April to September that's 6X24 or 144. If FedEx needs 150, FedEx must START TRAINING IN APRIL. If FedEx needs 100 FedEx must START TRAINING IN JUNE. That's based solely on capacity, not need. I know business is not based on pilot quotas, but I think (I hope) the training should be starting fairly soon.
All this comes from a poolie who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM THE INSIDE. THAT'S MY CAVEAT!!
Flame-proof suit fully zipped, Nomex gloves on, visor down...ready for flame...
JethroF15
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LEROY said:
Leroy dude... take off the flame-proof suite and have a nice cold Bud!!
First, the post that started this thread said nothing about training,
He only said hiring! You are already hired and, IMHO, will go to training this year. As far as FedEx not hiring till mid 2004...twgordy is the ONLY person I've heard that has this inside snippet of wisdom. I'm in the crew room right now and the rumors are still 100 or so new hires plus the guys in the pool for 2003! Again, that is rumor until FedEx actually does something but, Iwould put my money on what the guys who fly here say and not on a "one-time" thread!
Good luck and I'm sure I'll see you looking your best at 0' dark 30 in the purple crew room very soon!
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AlbieF15
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There are more ANG/Reserve guys going on mil leave than the company knows about. I just got called for a 2 week deployment last week, and I haven't yet put in my mil leave request. I'm sure if/when the shooting starts, some active duty guys in my unit are going to get called for the dreaded 90/120/179 non-flying type TDYs...and that means they'll be begging the ANG guys to work more. Point to all this is that I am pretty sure they are going to lose even more mil guys in the next few weeks, and most of us congregate on the bottom of the seniority ladder on one of the panels.
I don't think anyone under 60 is going to BID down to the 727 panel, so take a little confidence in the fact FDX is going to be feeling a tad "pinched" in the coming months on SO bodies. The way I read the bid letter, some secondaries may go unfilled, BUT this is not a displacement bid (ie...Fast Cargo won't be TOLD he has to leave his gucci DC10 and come back to the 727). T38 dude will remind you that when your Nov 01 class was cancelled, we were told "March at the earliest". We were in class the second week of January. We were also told "you won't be the last class, but we have only ONE firm behind you right now". Well...T38 and I have about 215 or so behind us now. I can't promise you anything, but FDX seems great about painting a "gloom and doom" picture, right up until KD calls and wants you in class in 3 weeks.
Keep the faith...
I don't think anyone under 60 is going to BID down to the 727 panel, so take a little confidence in the fact FDX is going to be feeling a tad "pinched" in the coming months on SO bodies. The way I read the bid letter, some secondaries may go unfilled, BUT this is not a displacement bid (ie...Fast Cargo won't be TOLD he has to leave his gucci DC10 and come back to the 727). T38 dude will remind you that when your Nov 01 class was cancelled, we were told "March at the earliest". We were in class the second week of January. We were also told "you won't be the last class, but we have only ONE firm behind you right now". Well...T38 and I have about 215 or so behind us now. I can't promise you anything, but FDX seems great about painting a "gloom and doom" picture, right up until KD calls and wants you in class in 3 weeks.
Keep the faith...
MadDogPilot
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I am sorry to hear about all the military call ups. I think we would all rather see you in Purple than desert cammos. Hopefully you guys will go in and get it done already and get back home. My staturs hasn't changed, I am fat-dunb-and-happy here... but THAT coiuld change and I too, could get called.
I think the FedEx bean counters think that a war or conflict will not last long, so a lot of these call ups are not going to be for the entire one year. I think they want to tighten the belt until it is all resolved.
But that is my humble "on the outside looking in" opinion.
I am like LEROY, if it ain't gonna happen any time soon, I got to go to Plan C... or D....
Elvis Lives!
The Mad Dog
I think the FedEx bean counters think that a war or conflict will not last long, so a lot of these call ups are not going to be for the entire one year. I think they want to tighten the belt until it is all resolved.
But that is my humble "on the outside looking in" opinion.
I am like LEROY, if it ain't gonna happen any time soon, I got to go to Plan C... or D....
Elvis Lives!
The Mad Dog
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$.02
From someone who has been "treading" in a pool since March '02....
If I would have put faith (and made plans) based on the initial outlook for a class date of "sometime late spring or early summer"... (that would be 2002), and NOT taken the job I now have, we would be in pretty bad shape by now.
All discussions of "good faith" aside.... with a few exceptions, NO employer will ever look out for your interests, a job is just a job. Some better than others. Some (we hope) will take you to retirement.
I know that I will eventually leave this "temporary" employment that I took 13 months ago. I do an outstanding job for those who pay me..... but, one of these days I will be flying a 737 and will have NO regrets about doing what I have to do in order to support my family.
Bottom line from my point of view is that you may be floating for a lot longer than you want to..... in the meantime, perhaps you should reconsider your position and take whatever you can get while an offer is available?????
From someone who has been "treading" in a pool since March '02....
If I would have put faith (and made plans) based on the initial outlook for a class date of "sometime late spring or early summer"... (that would be 2002), and NOT taken the job I now have, we would be in pretty bad shape by now.
All discussions of "good faith" aside.... with a few exceptions, NO employer will ever look out for your interests, a job is just a job. Some better than others. Some (we hope) will take you to retirement.
I know that I will eventually leave this "temporary" employment that I took 13 months ago. I do an outstanding job for those who pay me..... but, one of these days I will be flying a 737 and will have NO regrets about doing what I have to do in order to support my family.
Bottom line from my point of view is that you may be floating for a lot longer than you want to..... in the meantime, perhaps you should reconsider your position and take whatever you can get while an offer is available?????
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Again....Source!
Don't throw flame bait out there without a little backing it up.
This is a very crazy industry, so as idiotic as it sounds, it makes people nervous when you say stuff like that.
Incidently, if the USPS has done a 180 on how happy they are with Fedex, they've got 5 and half more years to change their minds!
Don't throw flame bait out there without a little backing it up.
This is a very crazy industry, so as idiotic as it sounds, it makes people nervous when you say stuff like that.
Incidently, if the USPS has done a 180 on how happy they are with Fedex, they've got 5 and half more years to change their minds!
OK, simmer down now guys. Here's my worthless two cents to add to the string.
No, this has absolutely nothing to do with the mail contract, the USPS is happier than they have ever been in their existence, and if they weren't, they couldn't do a thing about it for about 5 1/2 years as USNFDX pointed out. And no, FedEx would not be hurting without the mail contract, us junior guys would never have been hired in the first place over the last 2 years. In my opinion business would be pretty darn flat (no growth), but there would be 500-600 less pilots on the seniority list as well. Anyway, I suppose you could argue the subject both ways, but none of that relates to the original subject, so here's what I've heard:
A guy I flew with yesterday jumpseated w/the chief pilot a couple of days ago. The gist of the conversation was that Flight Ops wants to hire (for different reasons including mil callups), but the bean counters don't. I guess they have been going back and forth for a while on this. There is no question that there are many seats seriously short on manning at the moment and some others that seem to be squeaking by. However, as seen by the numbers in the bid that came out, the DC-10 and 727 continue to go away at a steady rate. Additionally, it looks like a small portion of the South American 727 flying will be curtailed for an unspecified amount of time. Seats up the food chain need to be filled but as the 3-man cockpit numbers dwindle, fewer replacements are needed. What it sounds like is the bean counters have the upper hand at the moment, but flight ops wants more and will continue to yell louder and louder as more guys get called up, etc.
Bottom line: I too have heard the ugly rumor, nothing official has come out. Unfortunately (and most important to many of you), I'm not sure whether this means they'll drain the pool or not, nobody seems to be able to answer that. Hopefully something will come out soon. I also have a feeling that push will come to shove at some point, and we'll need more guys on the property.
Keep the faith, I know it may not sound like it now, but this place is worth the wait.
No, this has absolutely nothing to do with the mail contract, the USPS is happier than they have ever been in their existence, and if they weren't, they couldn't do a thing about it for about 5 1/2 years as USNFDX pointed out. And no, FedEx would not be hurting without the mail contract, us junior guys would never have been hired in the first place over the last 2 years. In my opinion business would be pretty darn flat (no growth), but there would be 500-600 less pilots on the seniority list as well. Anyway, I suppose you could argue the subject both ways, but none of that relates to the original subject, so here's what I've heard:
A guy I flew with yesterday jumpseated w/the chief pilot a couple of days ago. The gist of the conversation was that Flight Ops wants to hire (for different reasons including mil callups), but the bean counters don't. I guess they have been going back and forth for a while on this. There is no question that there are many seats seriously short on manning at the moment and some others that seem to be squeaking by. However, as seen by the numbers in the bid that came out, the DC-10 and 727 continue to go away at a steady rate. Additionally, it looks like a small portion of the South American 727 flying will be curtailed for an unspecified amount of time. Seats up the food chain need to be filled but as the 3-man cockpit numbers dwindle, fewer replacements are needed. What it sounds like is the bean counters have the upper hand at the moment, but flight ops wants more and will continue to yell louder and louder as more guys get called up, etc.
Bottom line: I too have heard the ugly rumor, nothing official has come out. Unfortunately (and most important to many of you), I'm not sure whether this means they'll drain the pool or not, nobody seems to be able to answer that. Hopefully something will come out soon. I also have a feeling that push will come to shove at some point, and we'll need more guys on the property.
Keep the faith, I know it may not sound like it now, but this place is worth the wait.
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Fed Ex Hiring for the next year
Hello Everyone...
Here's what I heard and who I heard it from... About three weeks ago, I was jumpseating from MSP to MEM and had a business jumpseater with me (As a side note, hopefully this jumpseat wringer will get figured out shortly)... The business jumpseater was a scheduler on the company side... His primary duties include working on the monthly scheduling group with with another FedEx guy... Those two company guys meet with the Union guys to form "the Scheduling Group" for both FedEx short and long range schedules... Anyway, here's a paraphrase of what he said three weeks ago... "...The bid will come out for you guys, with a 90% probability, on the 10th of March. Approximately 130 captian and first officer seats will be opening up. The reason this bid took so long is because the finance guys and the operations guys are continually fighting over what number projections should be used for the upcoming year. Last week (the last week in Feb), the two sides came to an agreement about the numbers to be used. And these bid numbers are the result..."
So, for what it's worth, the scheduler's info was right on... I then continued to ask him about hiring in the next year, and here's what he said... "...with an 80% probability, we will be hiring about fifty guys by the end of the year. We will have about 80 guys reaching age 60, and, if historical trends remain constant, about 20 of those guys will move to the S/O seat positions... We have approx. 70 guys in the pool, so the new hires will come from there. The biggest assumptions include: 1)the economy, 2)the military callups because of the war, and 3)the retirement numbers... CRAF, if it happens, should not affect us too much..."
Given the primary and secondary bids, plus the number of positions that will not be filled amounts to approx 50 727 S/O seats.Looks like he turned out to be right about that number as well... The numbers and projections he gave were from Mar03 to Mar04...
Again, this info is about a month old... So, if his (aka FedEx's) projections/assumptions are correct, if your in the pool, chances are good that we'll be seeing you soon... However, since I'm not sure who gives KD her marching orders to hire more into the pool, it's anyone's guess as to when hiring into the pool/interviews will continue....
Hope this helps!!!
Take Care
Murdawg
PS Losing the postal contract... I seriously doubt it!!! JMHO
Hello Everyone...
Here's what I heard and who I heard it from... About three weeks ago, I was jumpseating from MSP to MEM and had a business jumpseater with me (As a side note, hopefully this jumpseat wringer will get figured out shortly)... The business jumpseater was a scheduler on the company side... His primary duties include working on the monthly scheduling group with with another FedEx guy... Those two company guys meet with the Union guys to form "the Scheduling Group" for both FedEx short and long range schedules... Anyway, here's a paraphrase of what he said three weeks ago... "...The bid will come out for you guys, with a 90% probability, on the 10th of March. Approximately 130 captian and first officer seats will be opening up. The reason this bid took so long is because the finance guys and the operations guys are continually fighting over what number projections should be used for the upcoming year. Last week (the last week in Feb), the two sides came to an agreement about the numbers to be used. And these bid numbers are the result..."
So, for what it's worth, the scheduler's info was right on... I then continued to ask him about hiring in the next year, and here's what he said... "...with an 80% probability, we will be hiring about fifty guys by the end of the year. We will have about 80 guys reaching age 60, and, if historical trends remain constant, about 20 of those guys will move to the S/O seat positions... We have approx. 70 guys in the pool, so the new hires will come from there. The biggest assumptions include: 1)the economy, 2)the military callups because of the war, and 3)the retirement numbers... CRAF, if it happens, should not affect us too much..."
Given the primary and secondary bids, plus the number of positions that will not be filled amounts to approx 50 727 S/O seats.Looks like he turned out to be right about that number as well... The numbers and projections he gave were from Mar03 to Mar04...
Again, this info is about a month old... So, if his (aka FedEx's) projections/assumptions are correct, if your in the pool, chances are good that we'll be seeing you soon... However, since I'm not sure who gives KD her marching orders to hire more into the pool, it's anyone's guess as to when hiring into the pool/interviews will continue....
Hope this helps!!!
Take Care
Murdawg
PS Losing the postal contract... I seriously doubt it!!! JMHO
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