FedEx dumps Jeppesen

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Just got the memo that we are dumping Jeppesen in favor of a product developed by Lufthansa. This is in preperation for switching to Lufthansa's electronic product next year.

Anybody using the Lufthansa system now? If so how do you compare it to Jepps? Does any US major have the EFB yet or are we going to be the first?
 

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LIDO!!!!!! to sum it up in two words..... IT SUCKS! We use LIDO for flight planning and it's the biggest POS you have ever seen. The best thing you guys could do for us is to switch over too, that way we will BOTH be equally f...ed up in the flight planning regime! I've not seen their charts yet but if they are ANYTHING like their flight planning software.... lookout!
We too will probably get them when we switch over to EFB's in the coming years.
 
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fr8doggie said:
Anybody using the Lufthansa system now? If so how do you compare it to Jepps? Does any US major have the EFB yet or are we going to be the first?
I participated in the first round of EFB testing in the MD-11 where we got to see Jeppesen's product and LIDO's product. I would say that the charts and graphics are several orders of magnitude better than the Jepps. The graphics are more clear, contain better information, and are far easier to read. The only drawback was getting used to the newness of the format, i.e., knowing where to look for a particular piece of information. Of course, that was the same problem I had learning to use Jepps in the first place, coming from the military. I beleive we will be accomplishing a CMI course to orient everyone to the new charts.

Take a peek at Lufthansa Systems - Air Navigation Services for a sample of what's to come. I think you'll like them.



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[EDIT] Although I checked the Company website before browsing Flightinfo, I see that the FCIF was issued just 15 minutes ago. Indeed, there is a package in route to each pilot that will be used to accomplish the CMI for which we'll be paid. It won't be long before we won't be carrying our "Jepps bags" anymore! :) [/EDIT]

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TonyC said:
[EDIT] Although I checked the Company website before browsing Flightinfo, I see that the FCIF was issued just 15 minutes ago. Indeed, there is a package in route to each pilot that will be used to accomplish the CMI for which we'll be paid. It won't be long before we won't be carrying our "Jepps bags" anymore! :) [/EDIT]

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So where am I going to put my "Age 60-Fly til you die?" sticker?
 

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fr8doggie said:
So where am I going to put my "Age 60-Fly til you die?" sticker?
Well, you can carry it, if you like. It's just that you will no longer be required to carry the 45 lbs of charts anymore. :) Perhaps you'd like to use it for your laptop and a collection of professional periodicals.

Mine's made of that ballistic nylon stuff, so it doesn't hold stickers too well, anyway.


Has anybody broken the code on the new FOM yet? I haven't been curious enough to devote any of my vacation time to studying it, but I'd kinda like to now if there are important changes before I start reserve again next week. I'm sure glad they added all those OpSpec references. :rolleyes:



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As soon as we get switched over, there'll be a round of cost cutting and we'll go to NOS books from Sporty's.
 

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TonyC said:
Well, you can carry it, if you like. It's just that you will no longer be required to carry the 45 lbs of charts anymore. :) Perhaps you'd like to use it for your laptop and a collection of professional periodicals.

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If I remember correctly the FO's will still have to carry charts for 1 year and I believe that is an FAA issue and not FDX (sticking to the pilots anyway they can) issue:rolleyes:
 

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fr8doggie said:
So where am I going to put my "Age 60-Fly til you die?" sticker?
fr8,

Did Clutch Cargo worry about where to put the stickers ? Your avatar picture brings back memories of watching that show in the early days of TV when I was a kid in Chicago. Pretty weird stuff...only the lips moved. I guess it was the first generation of special effects.
 

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I recently flew with the guy that is in charge of the EFB program. He didn't say anything about f/o's carrying paper for a year, though I don't know. We went with LIDO for many reasons- the graphics are good, and the product is good. And it was a lot cheaper. Jepp wanted to charge what they charge now for paper- and offered less support getting the thing going. LIDO will offer more support and help getting everything up and runnung. For less moolah!

Now for the hard part- every pilot has to do the CMI or the program cannot move forward. So get on all your buddies to get it done as soon as possible!!!
 

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FedEx1 said:
Now for the hard part- every pilot has to do the CMI or the program cannot move forward. So get on all your buddies to get it done as soon as possible!!!
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Just publish a list of guys who are keeping us from dumping our Jepps on VIPS. . .
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With their home and cell phone numbers. . .
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PurpleTail said:
If I remember correctly the FO's will still have to carry charts for 1 year and I believe that is an FAA issue and not FDX (sticking to the pilots anyway they can) issue:rolleyes:
http://www.paperlesscockpit.com/files/pdf/ACFD29F.pdf

You are correct the amount of time varries from FSDO to FSDO, my guy told me 6 months for a part 91 operation.
 

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At SWA we are looking at the same product. I hear we will probably be changing over in the next 12 months or so. It is a function of cost I believe.
 

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I used the Swiss Air version of Jepps which was the same as the Lufthansa syst. The paper quality and graphics were beter then what Jepps has to offer.

EFB's are great for not having to carry Jepps BUT they are difficult to use. Their is no way to transfer from page to page quickly (last minute rwy change or a last minute clearance outside the US). I find the text is harder to read then the actual paper version.

All things considered they are nice but they are an intermediate answer. Cockpits like the G550 and Falcon EZ cockpits are really the answer. Planeview, where the data is presented on the display unit connected to real time GPS is absolulty 100X better then an EFB.
 

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I don't know the specifics, but the guy I flew with that is in charge of the program for fedex did say things like "moving map for GPS/FMS airplanes" (sorry 727 guys). He also said the screen was a touch pad, so one touch will change the plate to the airport diagram, another ILS, etc.

It was hard to concentrate once when he mentioned I wouldnt have to carry Jepps in the future.
 

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I would be surprised to see moving map GPS. Currently the FAA is not granting any EFB access to an aircrafts nav data base, IRS or GPS position. The FAA has decided that connecting an external EFB to an aircraft has the possibility of corrupting the aircrafts existing data so they say no way. The aircraft mf's have decied their is no money in it for them so they are taking the atitude, why would we make our GPS position (for example) available to the EFB (what's init for Boeing or Airbus)? Their are to many different EFBS and the ARINC data (429 bus) needs to be broken down to something that the EFB can use. Their are no plug and play units because the avionics data is proprietary from the mfr.

The only way to get GPS moving map is to have an external GPS. Which would actually be eaiser to get for the 727 because they were retro fitted with GPS vs trying to take it directly from the A300 avionics position information directly.

The other way is to have it installed from the factory as new equipment (G550 or Falcon EZ cockpit) where the mfr can now charge you more to get it (Already incorporated in the aircraft as original equipment)
 
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