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Are you "stop lossed"? The reason I ask is that I talked to a source at Fedex last week and was given the impression that in fact Fedex probably would not call me unless I had a definite guard/reserve job or some chief pilot went in and stood on their desks for me. I was told that they have too many people hired but "stop lossed".
From a business perspective, I totally understand this policy but it sure "bites" that while military guys are out fighting for "our way of life", others are taking what we hoped would be our jobs in the civilian market. I just hope that when "stop loss" is over Fedex calls all the qualified military candidates who have been waiting for an interview.
Just my thoughts. Good luck to all -military and civilian!!
Are you "stop lossed"? The reason I ask is that I talked to a source at Fedex last week and was given the impression that in fact Fedex probably would not call me unless I had a definite guard/reserve job or some chief pilot went in and stood on their desks for me. I was told that they have too many people hired but "stop lossed".
From a business perspective, I totally understand this policy but it sure "bites" that while military guys are out fighting for "our way of life", others are taking what we hoped would be our jobs in the civilian market. I just hope that when "stop loss" is over Fedex calls all the qualified military candidates who have been waiting for an interview.
Just my thoughts. Good luck to all -military and civilian!!
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Jake,
I am not "stop-lossed." I must admit that I had given up on FEDEX after being pooled with SWA, and was supprised to get the call on the same day JM called with good news from SWA. I have had my app online for a year and a half, and finally got a third reference at FEDEX in late December. I think that had a lot to do with it! Good luck!
I am not "stop-lossed." I must admit that I had given up on FEDEX after being pooled with SWA, and was supprised to get the call on the same day JM called with good news from SWA. I have had my app online for a year and a half, and finally got a third reference at FEDEX in late December. I think that had a lot to do with it! Good luck!
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Jake posted:
".... but it sure "bites" that while military guys are out fighting for "our way of life", others are taking what we hoped would be our jobs in the civilian market."
"Our jobs" ?!? How is it your job if you haven't even been invited to an interview yet? What makes you entitled to that job at FedEx or anywhere else? YGTBSM!
"I just hope that when "stop loss" is over Fedex calls all the qualified military candidates who have been waiting for an interview."
What about all the qualified civilian candidates waiting for an interview? Do you think you deserve to be hired just because you are former military? Do you think you should go to the head of the line just because you are a former military pilot?
It is EXACTLY this kind of arrogance and attitude that causes all the fuss between military pilots and civilian pilots. Get over yourself. You're just a pilot like everybody else. Wait your turn.
".... but it sure "bites" that while military guys are out fighting for "our way of life", others are taking what we hoped would be our jobs in the civilian market."
"Our jobs" ?!? How is it your job if you haven't even been invited to an interview yet? What makes you entitled to that job at FedEx or anywhere else? YGTBSM!
"I just hope that when "stop loss" is over Fedex calls all the qualified military candidates who have been waiting for an interview."
What about all the qualified civilian candidates waiting for an interview? Do you think you deserve to be hired just because you are former military? Do you think you should go to the head of the line just because you are a former military pilot?
It is EXACTLY this kind of arrogance and attitude that causes all the fuss between military pilots and civilian pilots. Get over yourself. You're just a pilot like everybody else. Wait your turn.
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They WILL call!
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Lucky you they didn't invoke it on you
I think you are wrong, stop loss does change the equation when invoked. My recruited never mentioned it to me, and I bet when Jake joined the USAF the last stop loss was during Vietnam, and there was a draft too! Gee, maybe they should recall you. How excited would you be? They can do that too PFC - it is "part of the equation". I know you Marines love to yell Semper Fi, but it would be a negative for your flying career and a real bummer.
Today we have a situation where the Air Force was going to be undermanned on pilots due to their complete lack of foresight and planning. They also need the stop loss to fight this war, but it sure is a handy "retention" tool for AFPC. I hope those affected keep their moral up and priorites straight, but the reality is it will cost some of them senoity numbers.
My point remains, walk a mile in his shoes: he waited his turn, but he is not allowed to take it. I am not enjoying my current unemployment, but I feel for the dudes who are stop lossed as well.
I think you are wrong, stop loss does change the equation when invoked. My recruited never mentioned it to me, and I bet when Jake joined the USAF the last stop loss was during Vietnam, and there was a draft too! Gee, maybe they should recall you. How excited would you be? They can do that too PFC - it is "part of the equation". I know you Marines love to yell Semper Fi, but it would be a negative for your flying career and a real bummer.
Today we have a situation where the Air Force was going to be undermanned on pilots due to their complete lack of foresight and planning. They also need the stop loss to fight this war, but it sure is a handy "retention" tool for AFPC. I hope those affected keep their moral up and priorites straight, but the reality is it will cost some of them senoity numbers.
My point remains, walk a mile in his shoes: he waited his turn, but he is not allowed to take it. I am not enjoying my current unemployment, but I feel for the dudes who are stop lossed as well.
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Let me refresh your memory, stop loss was used during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. It's not my fault if Jake didn't read the fine print. Besides, stop loss isn't the issue here. It sucks, no doubt about it, but what I originally commented on was his 'I'm entitled to a job' attitude. That sucks too.
They can recall me anytime they want. I'd go in a heartbeat.
BTW, PFC stands for Proud F*cking Civilian, as in all civilian flight time.
They can recall me anytime they want. I'd go in a heartbeat.
BTW, PFC stands for Proud F*cking Civilian, as in all civilian flight time.
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IVAUIR,
Both you and Caveman have great points but I still have to lean towards Caveman's opinion. I never thought I was hard on Jake- heck, I KNOW he can apply for a stop-loss waiver after he finds a Reserve/Guard unit to hire him......several of my friends have done this ....
Timing IS everything and to say ANY private businesses OWE prospective military candidates a job is ridiculous. I do sympathize for their situation but at least they have a steady paycheck coming in and continue to build flight time, UNLIKE the many furloughed pilot's (civilian or x-military) who are living off unemployment checks or working non-flying jobs to put food on the table for their families....My "great" company won't even interview these guys on furlough - talk about an injustice.....
Enough whining, geeez!
Speed
Q - where in the %&*# is the blasted spell-checker????
Both you and Caveman have great points but I still have to lean towards Caveman's opinion. I never thought I was hard on Jake- heck, I KNOW he can apply for a stop-loss waiver after he finds a Reserve/Guard unit to hire him......several of my friends have done this ....
Timing IS everything and to say ANY private businesses OWE prospective military candidates a job is ridiculous. I do sympathize for their situation but at least they have a steady paycheck coming in and continue to build flight time, UNLIKE the many furloughed pilot's (civilian or x-military) who are living off unemployment checks or working non-flying jobs to put food on the table for their families....My "great" company won't even interview these guys on furlough - talk about an injustice.....
Enough whining, geeez!
Speed
Q - where in the %&*# is the blasted spell-checker????
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"I just hope that when "stop loss" is over Fedex calls all the qualified military candidates who have been waiting for an interview."
Maybe this is an arrogant statement when read by someone with a chip on their shoulder. To me it means that he hopes FEDEX is still hiring and is able to give these guys and gals a shot, along with whoever else is waiting when the time comes.
Oh, by the way, he may not be an indentured servant because he volunteered to serve, but he sure has alot less say about his short term future then you.
Can't we all get along?
Clipper
Maybe this is an arrogant statement when read by someone with a chip on their shoulder. To me it means that he hopes FEDEX is still hiring and is able to give these guys and gals a shot, along with whoever else is waiting when the time comes.
Oh, by the way, he may not be an indentured servant because he volunteered to serve, but he sure has alot less say about his short term future then you.
Can't we all get along?
Clipper
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Thanks to everyone for replying to my post. I wish I got this much attention from the airline hiring departments. Ha Ha.
Thanks clipper and others for seeing the true meaning of what I wrote, even though I probably didn't do a very clear job of getting my point across. Maybe that's why I got all those poor grades in English.
Caveman, Speed - I sure didn't mean to offend you'all. Let me explain myself a little better. I am really happy that FEDEX is hiring anyone. (note "good luck to all - military and civilian" comment in my original post). I was just saying that instead of FEDEX calling a mixture of qualified civilian and military people right now the majority of their interview calls will go to the civilian pilots. However, once the stop loss is over hopefully they will call all those qualified military candidates that would have been called were it not for stop loss. The same people should get called but the civilians should get called now and the military should get called when we become available.
As for the "our jobs" comment, if you re-read the post you will notice that I said "what we hoped would be our jobs". I think there is a BIG difference between that comment and what was carried through several posts.
As for getting out of stop loss with a guard/reserve job. I have been working very hard to get a coveted guard/reserve job but ironically there are very few available because those in the guard/reserve are stop lossed as well. Even though they may want to leave their units (and open up a hole for me) they can't. Once stop loss is over there will probably be many guard/reserve jobs available. I will gladly take one of them and if I am lucky FEDEX will call. But then again this whole thread was about getting an interview during stop loss.
I did volunteer to join the military and yes I knew it was possible that I might be stop lossed at some point in my career. What I didn't count on was not getting the opportunity to fly for a great company because I was stop lossed. Trust me - I am not at all bitter that I am stop lossed - I love serving my country during this time of crisis. I just want to make sure that my family and I have a chair to sit in when the stop loss music stops.
I hope I was a little more eloquent in this post than in the last one. I also hope everyone reading this gets the job of their dreams.
cheers.
Thanks to everyone for replying to my post. I wish I got this much attention from the airline hiring departments. Ha Ha.
Thanks clipper and others for seeing the true meaning of what I wrote, even though I probably didn't do a very clear job of getting my point across. Maybe that's why I got all those poor grades in English.
Caveman, Speed - I sure didn't mean to offend you'all. Let me explain myself a little better. I am really happy that FEDEX is hiring anyone. (note "good luck to all - military and civilian" comment in my original post). I was just saying that instead of FEDEX calling a mixture of qualified civilian and military people right now the majority of their interview calls will go to the civilian pilots. However, once the stop loss is over hopefully they will call all those qualified military candidates that would have been called were it not for stop loss. The same people should get called but the civilians should get called now and the military should get called when we become available.
As for the "our jobs" comment, if you re-read the post you will notice that I said "what we hoped would be our jobs". I think there is a BIG difference between that comment and what was carried through several posts.
As for getting out of stop loss with a guard/reserve job. I have been working very hard to get a coveted guard/reserve job but ironically there are very few available because those in the guard/reserve are stop lossed as well. Even though they may want to leave their units (and open up a hole for me) they can't. Once stop loss is over there will probably be many guard/reserve jobs available. I will gladly take one of them and if I am lucky FEDEX will call. But then again this whole thread was about getting an interview during stop loss.
I did volunteer to join the military and yes I knew it was possible that I might be stop lossed at some point in my career. What I didn't count on was not getting the opportunity to fly for a great company because I was stop lossed. Trust me - I am not at all bitter that I am stop lossed - I love serving my country during this time of crisis. I just want to make sure that my family and I have a chair to sit in when the stop loss music stops.
I hope I was a little more eloquent in this post than in the last one. I also hope everyone reading this gets the job of their dreams.
cheers.
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Five questions ...
1) Do you think Jake joined the USAF since Desert Storm?
Possible, but probably not.
2) Who said they were owed a job?
If Jake does get that interview someday, I am sure any hint of an entitlement attitude will cost him the job (justifiably so).
Stereotypes exist for a reason so I am sure there are plenty of arrogant ex military guys out there. I have met a few - sounds like a couple of you have met many more. Maybe Jake is one, but to me he was just venting a little frustration and asking a question (which no one has answered).
3) Is FedEx interviewing folks affected by stop loss?
If not, this does "bite". So does not interviewing furloughed guys.
4) Where is the speel check?
5) Would we be bickering like little old ladies over this kind of lame &*% if everyone was hiring?
I am all for getting along, so here is my olive branch:
- There are two ways to get to a job at an airline: military and civilian.
- One is hard and one is really hard (Neither has a guarantee).
- Most pilots pride themselves on being rational decision makers, sooooo, the one you did not choose must be the really hard one!
1) Do you think Jake joined the USAF since Desert Storm?
Possible, but probably not.
2) Who said they were owed a job?
If Jake does get that interview someday, I am sure any hint of an entitlement attitude will cost him the job (justifiably so).
Stereotypes exist for a reason so I am sure there are plenty of arrogant ex military guys out there. I have met a few - sounds like a couple of you have met many more. Maybe Jake is one, but to me he was just venting a little frustration and asking a question (which no one has answered).
3) Is FedEx interviewing folks affected by stop loss?
If not, this does "bite". So does not interviewing furloughed guys.
4) Where is the speel check?
5) Would we be bickering like little old ladies over this kind of lame &*% if everyone was hiring?
I am all for getting along, so here is my olive branch:
- There are two ways to get to a job at an airline: military and civilian.
- One is hard and one is really hard (Neither has a guarantee).
- Most pilots pride themselves on being rational decision makers, sooooo, the one you did not choose must be the really hard one!
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