FedEx Anc Move LOA

[Los1]

SWPA Pilot is Right--VOTE!!
Los1
P2P Committee

 

[Echopapa]

If this passes, when would the MOAB takes place?

If this doesn't pass, what happens next?

Dude...change your name....

 

[SWPA Pilot]

Dude...change your name....

I have that on my "to-do" list. I have my computer this week with me and will have a new name by the end of the week.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Not like its that hard

Is it rocket science now?

I have that on my "to-do" list. I have my computer this week with me and will have a new name by the end of the week.

 

[PurpleTail]

Roll Out

Carlos: I have to respectfully disagree to a point. While the negotiating committee speaks for me, it is OUR job to approve what they negotiate, hence the vote.

Although I agree that getting this passed might help out the poolies and the current pilot group, I'm not going to blindy vote for this any more so than I will when we get the full TA for a vote.

By sending it forward the negotiating committee has sent a message that the offer is worth our consideration, but it should not be construed as a rubber stamp endorsement.

The email even said that you should read the LOA and decide for yourself if it is acceptable, and if so vote in favor. I got the impression that the committee wants it to pass by the tone of the email, but I still owe it to myself and the rest of the pilot group to read it and then vote.

I look forward to the day when we can do the same on the full TA.

I've got your back, and I know you have mine.

The negotiating committee speaks for me.

Lets GitRDone!

FJ

Excellent post FJ and I couldn't agree with you more. It is our responsiblity to look over the TA and decide for ourselves how to vote. My MEC speaks for me but I still decide my vote. Both sides can be argued for its pro's and con's but please take the time TO vote.

I still think it is BS that when the comapany really needs something that such priority to get it done actually happens. AT THE VERY LEAST I would like to see one or two cornerstone sections get TA'd in return, if it passes, for our good faith effort. Even if it does pass I really don't see this as any kind of victory.

 

[Spur]

Even if it does pass I really don't see this as any kind of victory.

I disagree. It is quite a victory. We have been trying for years to get a move package to ANC with no avail. When the company approached the MEC with the MOAB only package, the MEC negotiated in good faith, realized we were in a position of advantage, and stared the company down... refusing the initial offer. I imagine they took some heat for that from members contemplating ANC moves.

But they knew what they were doing. The company blinked. The LOA, in the MECs own words, leaves "very little, if any, money on the table." And it will be incorporated in future agreements.

I say nice job guys... I voted "In favor of the MEC LOA...."

 

[Falconjet]

I still think it is BS that when the comapany really needs something that such priority to get it done actually happens. AT THE VERY LEAST I would like to see one or two cornerstone sections get TA'd in return, if it passes, for our good faith effort. Even if it does pass I really don't see this as any kind of victory.

This demonstrates that when the company decides that it is THEIR best interests to come to the table and really negotiate, they will do so. The management at FedEx is very smart, and it is simply not in their best interests to complete a new contract right now. It is just business, and with every day of delay they get away with paying us lower wages. They needed this LOA to grow the ANC base, and thus they came to the table in a reasonable manner and got it done. Eventually this will happen with the whole CBA.

This is where I differ somewhat with the union leader's rhetoric. I don't hold it against the company that they are playing hardball. I expect nothing less. Eventually, when the time comes, they will decide (and maybe we will help them) that it IS in their best interest to get the CBA done and THEN (and only then) they will come to the table in earnest.

I'm not sure of what it will take to get them to come to that conclusion, but it will happen one day, and then we will get the contract we have earned.

I'm patient and I'm ready for the long haul.

My negotiating committee speaks for me.

FJ

 

[MemTrash]

Excellent post FJ and I couldn't agree with you more. It is our responsiblity to look over the TA and decide for ourselves how to vote. My MEC speaks for me but I still decide my vote. Both sides can be argued for its pro's and con's but please take the time TO vote.

I still think it is BS that when the comapany really needs something that such priority to get it done actually happens. AT THE VERY LEAST I would like to see one or two cornerstone sections get TA'd in return, if it passes, for our good faith effort. Even if it does pass I really don't see this as any kind of victory.

I agree with you and I have voted.... NO for me.
I'd like to see a contract or nothing!

 

[Falconjet]

I have read the LOA and voted, but I won't kiss and tell!

I hope we get about 99% voting though because I think that will send a message to management that we are engaged in the process and willing to put this CBA to bed (one way or the other) when they finally step up to the plate.

VOTE!

FJ

 

[igneousy2]

I'm not sure of what it will take to get them to come to that conclusion, but it will happen one day, and then we will get the contract we have earned.

I'm patient and I'm ready for the long haul.

My negotiating committee speaks for me.

FJ

I don't work with y'all yet but I do own your stock...and I have made a killing (to me at least) with it. Stock was trading at $80 last fall and is now over $110...fantastic.

I don't believe management will talk to you guys during this period of prosperity. Right now FEDEX is making more money than ever. A company under the Railroad Labor Act has absolutely no incentive on it's own to negotiate an amendment to a contract. NetJets just signed an amendment that had been amendable since 1998 just this year...8 years.

I can tell you what FEDEX is waiting for...they are waiting for a downturn in business so that they can tell your negotiating committee that they are in for some tough times ahead and would like to...but can't afford to give you those pay raises that they will agree you deserve.

Right now FEDEX is making so much money that even the best spin-doctors can't paint a cloudy picture in FEDEX's forseeable future.

If the skies don't ever go cloudy, when you finally do get a contract, you will get retro pay (don't vote yes without it) but FEDEX will have been using the CASH that they would have given you. The $1.00 you earn today will only cost FEDEX $.95 cents a year from now in todays dollars. 4000 pilots averaging $100,000 a year is $400,000,000. Let's assume that you negotiate a 10% across the board pay raise a year from now with back pay. FEDEX's additional cost would then be 40 million dollars. The intrest rate on treasuries right now (considered "risk free") is almost 5% and will probably reach 5% by summer. That means that if FEDEX doesn't have to pay you right now...they will make $2 million profit over the next year for just for holding the money in a US treasury account...this doesn't even count the cash they will keep from not having to pay benefits and taxes. This also assumes that FEDEX's return is the risk free rate. At current margins, FEDEX would have to generate 38.7 million dollars in revenue to make $2 million in profits through operations.

When times are good...Unions want to ammend contracts, companies want to delay.

When times are bad...Unions want to delay...companies want to ammend.

Good luck

 

[capt_zman]

Maybe if you had done your homework on "this period of prosperity", you would have seen that Fedex has been in "this period of prosperity" since the early 90's, and arguably since the early 80's. So tell me O Great One, when is the period of prosperity going to be over?

Based on all of your opinions and knowledge, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

 

[TheBaron]

I Voted...did you?

Cast your vote, either yes or no, so the company knows we are 100% committed.

 

[MemTrash]

I Voted...did you?

Cast your vote, either yes or no, so the company knows we are 100% committed.

Why not tell which way you voted?
I voted NO to send the union and the company the message we are ready for something to happen. Come on how did you doyz vote. Company or Crew force?

 

[USNFDX]

Why not tell which way you voted?
I voted NO to send the union and the company the message we are ready for something to happen. Come on how did you doyz vote. Company or Crew force?

I wished and Washed back and fourth to..........

......edited......

 

[capt_zman]

Let's not do this on a public forum. Company eyes want to see differing opinions between us. We shouldn't provide them the courtesy just for the sake of argument.

 

[Spur]

Come on how did you doyz vote. Company or Crew force?

I take offense at the suggestion that a yes vote is for the company and against the crew force. I guess the whole MEC is pro company then and trying to screw all us crew dogs.

 

[FedEx]

I don't know about you guys, but why is the company coming to us with a LOA in the middle of these negotiations? Isn't a LOA something you agree upon when you have a contract, and you want to change something. So what is the company trying to change, a "Move Package"??? In the old contract. Shouldn't this be something that is TA'ed and put in the new contract??? Are they going to keep coming at us one piece at a time??? Hey another LOA on scheduling, another LOA on retirement, etc...

As everyone has stated, when the company wants something, they will get this done. So if they really want this LOA, put it in the contract with the rest of the TA'ed sections and we will vote on a whole contact, not section by section.

I can see them coming to us with a LOA if we were not in negotiations, and they needed to change something, but we have been in negotiations for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell me why I should vote yes on this???

Hope this made since, been up all night KIX -SFS- KIX hub turn, and getting ready to go to bed.

 

[capt_zman]

If the company wants to put people into ANC, they can do it anytime they wish, with or without TA. It's not like the company really wants to pay a move package for someone to go, it sounds to me like it's more like the union that wants it. And it's good for all the crewmembers that WANT to go up there.

 

[USNFDX]

"Let's not do this on a public forum. Company eyes want to see differing opinions between us. We shouldn't provide them the courtesy just for the sake of argument."

You're right on that one....I'm edited


However,

If the company wants to put people into ANC, they can do it anytime they wish, with or without TA. It's not like the company really wants to pay a move package for someone to go, it sounds to me like it's more like the union that wants it. And it's good for all the crewmembers that WANT to go up there.

If the company doesn't need it or want it,

I guarantee they wouldn't be offering!

 

[TheBaron]

Why not tell which way you voted?
I voted NO to send the union and the company the message we are ready for something to happen. Come on how did you doyz vote. Company or Crew force?

No problem...I voted YES to show solidarity with both the MEC and the crew force.

 

[beam_d]

OK,
I'm normally a lurker but I have to give my "crewforce" input here. The way I interpret (after talking to my Union Rep) is this: If we never proposed the LOA and just turned down the Company's initial move offer, they would put newhires in ANC at no cost to the company. If we vote yes, we not only prevent newhires moving 2500 miles at their cost. We benefit many current pilots that want to move to ANC eventually and would've eventually done it on their own dime. OK, I'm one of the accused who wants to eventually move back North, so I have a dog in the fight.
I don't understand the mentality of "scr&w the company til we get a contract" when it only hurts members in the long run. I'm a big proponent of, "don't cut your nose off to spite your face." It seems like a lot of this comes down to pride and the illusion of sticking it to "the man". ( "But sir, your are the man! Maybe")
I think it's a small step towards incorporating a much needed item into the contract. It's the wrong time to look like the media's standard greedy pilots. Am I just a naive new guy?
Anyway, I voted YES.

Beamer

 

[FedEx]

Beam,
First of all, I don't think this has anything to do with "Sticking it to the Man". It all has to do with Contract Negotiations... This LOA is a good thing. But, the company can not just Cherry Pick what sections it wants to send to us thru a LOA and hope we sign off on it. Put this LOA where it should be, IN THE NEW CONTRACT.
We all agree, that if the company wants a new contract, these negotiations would have been done months ago. So now they want a move package to ANC, and put out a LOA for us to sign off on. Lets say we sign off on this, then is it back to negotiations as they stand with the company dragging there feet for another two years. It is not sticking it to the man, its only business. Give us this LOA in a whole proposal, not in a individual section.
What we should send to the company and the media is, we want this LOA, but only in the form of a whole contract proposal.

 

[Mr Zog]

Something to consider. If we vote NO, do you think the company would take the LOA to the NMB and use it against us saying we aren't negotiating in good faith? Possibly stalling negotiations even further. They are going to put the vacancies in the next bid for ANC with or without the LOA. I guess they think it may go a bit more senior with the LOA.

The only way to get the company to negotiate is to somehow hurt the stock price. In the last earnings call, one of the analysts asked point blank about negotiations and the company responded everything is going well. We need to do our informational picketing in Wall Street, in front of the largest instutional investors (ie Primecap, Barclays, etc.), etc. You get a couple of downgrades by the anaylsts citing potential pending labor problems, the company will be negotiating very quickly.

 

[active_herk]

Why not tell which way you voted?
I voted NO to send the union and the company the message we are ready for something to happen. Come on how did you doyz vote. Company or Crew force?

Just curious, in your opinion, since the union is endorsing this LOA, does that put the union on the company side or crew force side?

 

[PastV1]

Just a point that no one has mentioned yet.

The move package section of the contract has ALREADY been TA'd. This means that the Company and our reps have already agreed to this section and it is staus quo with what we have now.

This LOA is an improvement to that TA'd section.

Just a thought,
Past....

 

[CaptainMark]

Just curious, in your opinion, since the union is endorsing this LOA, does that put the union on the company side or crew force side?

memtrash is a little confused..he has been east coast night hubturning all week while some us have had 38 hour layovers on the west coast...i voted yes..lets move on..

 

[SleepyF18]

Just a suggestion to all of you that are trying to decide how to vote.

Why don't you call the MEC and talk to one of the committee guys or the officers or your block rep and get their take on this? If you have questions on what exactly is entailed in this LOA, ask the people who can get you the answers.

 

[LivinDaDream]

Past V1 makes a good point that all those yet to vote should consider.

Reopening negotiations on a previously TA'ed section makes No Sense. This can delay negotiations further and put the whole section back on the table. It appears that most of what remains are cornerstone issues. It doesn't make much sense to crawl back down into the underbrush now that we are finally climbing up the big trees.

The LOA is an improvement and should be taken in any way we can get it. Only the Company wins when we hold something that we want hostage for other items. This is a freebie and should have no bearing on Section 6.

Just an additional observation... 90% of contract gains are obtained in the last 10% of the talks. Check the negotiating history over the years, not just at FX. Getting to the end game is in our best interest and slowing things down only delays those improvements.

 

[MemTrash]

Just curious, in your opinion, since the union is endorsing this LOA, does that put the union on the company side or crew force side?

I'm not sure why the Union would want to do anything without it being in a contract after two+ years. Wonder what the company would say to a Pay LOA or a Scope LOA?
I do trust the union guys, but I do not believe in doing anything quickly to help the company. I don't have to agree with everything the union does but overall I know they are working for us. I've voted NO for the every contract the union has proposed. I believe we have earned better than we have or probably will have. If this LOA was voted down perhaps the union would have a stronger bargining position I don't know(that is my hope), but I can't vote for something that helps the company when, from what the union says, the company is not dealing fairly with the union at the NMB.
Maybe I'm wrong but I just can't do it.

 

[MemTrash]

memtrash is a little confused..he has been east coast night hubturning all week while some us have had 38 hour layovers on the west coast...i voted yes..lets move on..

Brother you may be right, 102 in south Texas then 30 and snow in Maine, then back to the north east today then AZ tomorrow for some more heat. WTF?
This FiFi jet is going to kill me. Did I mention the bus sucks.