Fastest Business Airplane

[501261]

"Is the Citation X a dog in the climb or what was going on here?"

Compared to a GV, yes its a dog.

 

[NJAFracPilot]

Citation X

Compared to a GV, yes its a dog.

...Specially if it's an older X.
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[Diesel]

honestly it depends how you climb it.

If you climb it fast through the 20's it will then accelerate through the 30's. The 20's the climb sucks. But if you can build some speed then pitch through the 20's and get into the 30's and enter 300/.80 in the fms the plane will climb at 2000' per minute at .80.

It can be a dog especially if it's an older type, with the warmer temps.

The GV has some serious nuts.

 

[X man]

Citation X

Depends on how you climb the aircraft. Using the programed climb speed of 275 knots, it is good. Using a climb speed of 300 knots works better. That 300 knots transitions into .83 Mach at altitude for the climb. The aircraft is climbing at .83 mach. The aircraft has 1 pound of thrust for every 3 pounds of Gross weight. The X is very sluggish on climb in higher than ISA temperatures though.

 

[GVFlyer]

The aircraft (Citation X) has 1 pound of thrust for every 3 pounds of Gross weight.

Gotta love it. Although the G550 has 1 pound of thrust for each 2.95 pounds of aircraft when loaded with 8 passengers and enough fuel to fly from Beijing to Miami, when loaded to fly from San Francisco to Richmond, VA, it has 1 pound of thrust for every 2 pounds of aircraft.


GV

 

[GEXDriver]

Thanks for the responses about the Citation X climb performance. Is it true that the Citation X is going out of production with no follow-on high-speed replacement announced by Cessna? If so, why?

 

[GEXDriver]

???

I don't know what's going on here, but my below post was the thread starter for this thread and should be the first post, not the last...

 

[banned username 2]

I heard something interesting on the radio today. A Citation X had taken off from St. Paul with a GV taking off right after him. The Citation X, N944QS, was given a climb to FL400 by Minneapolis Center. Center then told him to, "Stop climb at FL260, there is a GV below you that is outclimbing you and overtaking you by 30 knots." The GV was then given an unrestricted climb to FL450. Best I could tell by the radios the Citation was not leveled and was given a progressive climb, but the GV was level at FL450 before the Citation was out of FL390. I know how fast the X is straight and level, so my question is, "Is the Citation X a dog in the climb or what was going on here?"

I made it to FL450 yesterday in about 15 minutes in the G-V with enough fuel to about 5 hours (plus having reserves)...

I have passed Citation X's several times in the lower altitudes in the Falcons (Vmo 370 KIAS)...

 

[GEXDriver]

I heard something interesting on the radio today. A Citation X had taken off from St. Paul with a GV taking off right after him. The Citation X, N944QS, was given a climb to FL400 by Minneapolis Center. Center then told him to, "Stop climb at FL260, there is a GV below you that is outclimbing you and overtaking you by 30 knots." The GV was then given an unrestricted climb to FL450. Best I could tell by the radios the Citation was not leveled and was given a progressive climb, but the GV was level at FL450 before the Citation was out of FL390. I know how fast the X is straight and level, so my question is, "Is the Citation X a dog in the climb or what was going on here?"

 

[X man]

Citation 10 out of production

First I have heard of that. There was a flicker of a rumor 3 to 4 years ago of a Citation 12, a relationship between Boeing and Cessna, Boeing would work the wing, Cessna would build the aircraft.
It was to be stand up cabin and would cruise just below the speed of sound.
Apparently there is an area just below the speed of sound that the aircraft would be most economical. Never heard another whimper about it though.

 

[Diesel]

The super x is rumored to be around. Not sure if i'd put much stock in it.

Much like the X with winglets. That i have seen.

 

[501261]

Thanks for the responses about the Citation X climb performance. Is it true that the Citation X is going out of production with no follow-on high-speed replacement announced by Cessna? If so, why?

You mean you haven't heard of the "fatation", apparently it's a wider X. Look for an announcement around NBAAimp:

Interesting to see where the posts on this thead list, something is kind of messed up. This was posted on Tuesday evening

 

[G4G5]

The fastest aircraft or the fastest aircraft from service center to service center?

 

[SCT]

I agree w/ Diesel and X man about the 300/ .80 climb schedule. Typical of a swept wing a/c, the X does not like the high deck angles (250 knts) in the 20s. Especially anything above ISA. It seems the higher you go the more efficient the X wing gets, though. (By no means are you going to beat a Gstream to altitude, though.) Nothing like sitting at 41 doing .89/.90 and sipping 2000lbs an hr.

G4G5- We have had very few problems w/ our X over the last 4 yrs. She is not a hangar queen but does not fly as much as a QS, though. Seems to be very good support from Team X, also.

 

[Diesel]

The fastest plane between service centers misnomer is pretty much due to the early planes and the way NJ operates them. The only time they see mx if it's scheduled or if it breaks. They just don't do preventive mx.

The corp or personally owned x that I fly is a completely different bird. It has it's own crew chief and when it comes through the home base at night the chief goes over it. Just like any corp plane. If this part is starting the to wear the crew chief can keep an eye on it or replace it beforehand.

Just two completely different ways to operate a plane. I don't agree with the NJ way. Too much bureaucracy.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

All 3 Xs I flew climbed best at the climb speed schedule of M.80, and if I remember correctly, gave me a +2000 fpm climbrate. The GV could outclimb the X Im sure but the X could definitely outsprint the GV until it runs out of legs. Flying the X was a blast but I would definitely loooooovveee to be in the GV instead...ahhh the comfort of being able to scratch certain parts of your body inflight. :cartman:

 

[rettofly]

Nothing like sitting at 41 doing .89/.90 and sipping 2000lbs an hr.
.....unless you're in a P180 at 410 doing .58/.59 sipping 450 lbs/hr

 

[G4G5]

You go

 

[Gulfstream 200]

me thinks sitting IN BACK with a few hotty topless broads sipping an 18yr old scotch at any flight level beats em all!

(just a dream)

 

[G100driver]

me thinks sitting IN BACK with a few hotty topless broads sipping an 18yr old scotch at any flight level beats em all!

(just a dream)

EXACTLY.

What sort of dingbat worth here weight in salt would ever walk up the stairs of a G-V and turn left to hang with the pilots!

I wish that I could afford to drink 18 year old scotch! Damned dirty 12 year pilot swill.uke:

 

[SCT]

You have a good point G200!!

 

[501261]

me thinks sitting IN BACK with a few hotty topless broads sipping an 18yr old scotch at any flight level beats em all!

Oh yea, that's a good dream. And let me tell ya straight out, in that dream, I'd be a d!ck to fly for.imp:

Just dreaming of saying "Hey GVFlyer and FalcCapt, make sure my jetski gets loaded onto MY G550's baggage compartment, oh and when you get finished loading those 20 cases of $2 buck chuck, go ahead and take a bottle for yourselves ."

Enroute to Cabo "Hey GV, Bambi and Kitty (2 flight attendents for safety of course ) here say it's better to jet ski in Bora Bora, hang a right and if we land any where but Bora Bora, you're fired!"

Oh yea, it can happen.........not.

 

[501261]

Dreaming of owning a G550

I'd throw a fit everytime I got in the G550, just because I could.

"This catering f!cking sucks, I want someone fired over this foul up! I want my brisket SLICED not chopped!"

Next time I get on: "This catering f!cking sucks, I want someone fired! How hard can it be to get this straight, I want my brisket CHOPPED not sliced .

Man this dream just keeps getting better .

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Id have GV flyer working for me and I would sell the GV and buy a Falcon 50.

Then Id make him fly it around the world with a jetski in back, minrest, Garden Inns as prefered Hotels. Perdiem $35/day all meals.

Kinda like my own personal FRACTIONAL PILOT.






PS - j/k GV - no need for the 2 pager about the only aircraft that can fly are made in Savannah and are crewed by all military pilots...

 

[SCT]

"Kinda like my own personal FRACTIONAL PILOT."

Now that's funny! Maybe he can get NJW and the 1108 to represent him....

I would have the FA bring $100.00 bills up to the cockpit with a message to roll the 550 BUT if I spill a drop of my scotch someone is going to get fired!!

 

[G21Agoose]

I made it to FL450 yesterday in about 15 minutes in the G-V with enough fuel to about 5 hours (plus having reserves)...

I have passed Citation X's several times in the lower altitudes in the Falcons (Vmo 370 KIAS)...

We often have the same- X's may have a high TAS but we catch up on the descent with our 350+ KIAS (above 10,000ft, your honor). Speed is relative, though, most pax want comfort ahead of speed; 10 mins difference on a 600nm trip. Who cares????

 

[cezzna]

The speed difference is negligable. I'll be the first to admit I'd rather be flying the G-metal. The biggest gripe I have with the X is the ride in turbulence. Those yaw dampers work hard when it's rough. Feels like being in the front end of a maraca. Sometimes you wonder if it's the air or the yaw dampers beating you up.

 

[Diesel]

fly an older x without the mod'ed controls and thats a ride. Full deflection on final. Like flying a 172 with ice. Figures. Built by cessna.

 

[501261]

Back to the "Dream"

So do you think we can start working on getting a "Stripper Poleimp: " STC on my G550. I mean if Gulfstream doesn't think they can install a couple of "stripper polesimp: " into custom my blue velvet interior:bomb: , I'll just have to start talking to Bombardier .

I'm thinking 3 stripper poles, one up front by the door, one in back, and a "main stage" in the middle. :laugh:

 

[AA717driver]

D@MN! No one's safe around here tonight! You guys are brutal. (G200 being particularly harsh on GVflyer... Not that he doesn't deserve it every so often! )

I'm going back to study for the rest of my recurrent... TC