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[flexpilot]

That's a fair statement, flexpilot. You're right, you haven't normally seen this kind of chatter from the options pilots about the union. That was because for the most part, the union's decisions and actions were predictable and for the good of the pilot group. What you see here are MiGs who are now pissed at a most catastrophic, expensive, personally impacting mistake union leadership is making regarding those losing their jobs. It's despicable. And I for one am listening to the union leadership. I just am not buying their reasons for their actions and not about to "toe the party line" when such a disastrous mistake is being made. How would you feel if you were about to get kicked out the door, could have got a $100,000 check on the way out, but the union says "not so fast" and keeps you from it? Think you might speak up about that? This is a colossal mistake that will ultimately destroy our very union we all worked very hard for.

It was probably an impossible deal that was never going to happen in the first place.

If he was going to kick you out the door, he'd do it. Why should he give you a parting gift? Ken Ricci is not known for his generosity.

 

[Mach94]

If he was going to kick you out the door, he'd do it. Why should he give you a parting gift? Ken Ricci is not known for his generosity.

Oh, he wouldn't, unless there was something in it for him. We all know that.

The PR would look better for his potential owners making the issue look more practical for his "market shift" rather than laying off at a time when no one else is laying off. It makes him look like a pragmatic business man who cares about his employees. (puke)

But I think the real reason is he knew it was the perfect bait to destroy the union. He knew if he let the union be the reason those of us leaving don't get that paycheck, it will destroy the union's solidarity. Brilliant, huh? And the union fell for it hook, line and sinker. And yep. We ARE pissed. He played all of us. And the extremely irritating part is that we, those losing our jobs, know we are nothing but a pawn for both sides, but we are the ones directly affected. It is our lives. Real lives. Real families this affects. Ricci managed to use the perfect tool to shred our support.

I feel like a pig who watched Ricci hand the gun over to the union as it lines us up in the stall to be killed one at a time and sent to the smoke house. And there is nothing we can do about it except watch it happen as we are slowly pushed into the slot, watching each pig in front of us executed one at a time by the union for a cause none of us now care about. And the union is frustrated they are doing it but pulling the trigger anyways, executing each of us in turn, and Ricci is standing there with an evil face, just laughing at us.

 

[greygoose]

If he was going to kick you out the door, he'd do it. Why should he give you a parting gift? Ken Ricci is not known for his generosity.

So he could rub it in the face of others down the road, that they had the option to take it earlier but didn't. Doesn't sound nice to say, but sure seems like something he would do.

 

[flexible]

Admittedly I'm not necessarily up on all all the low down of union ins and outs but none of this makes sense. As far as I know not a single real flex jet pilot cares about any of this. The only ones who care are extremely anti union and they apparently understand it less than me

This is as I believe was coined a political furlough. Not based on need or realities or even bonified business restructuring.

Therefore the object was to make union look shifty no matter what happened anywhere.

Confused why you can't see into that and simmer down. You were never going to get what the magic leprechaun promised you might. It's all a game. The only party who done wrong is management. The fact 30 plus posts have explained very reasonably so even this moron can understand union had no choice is curious why you continue to protest.

I simply don't believe you are seeing the outrage you profrss. And I have been to vehicle trying get to see were you are saying union demanding recall rights. All I see if a negotiation suggestion that was ignored. A first step where everyone first offer is unreasaonsble. There is no demand you speak of. Where is it?

 

[993_Pilot]

For the last friggin' time, the union never denied or attempted to deny the pilots the VSP, they only wanted to negotiate, perhaps get a better deal, but most importantly, get it in a written, legally enforceable LOA. How friggin' hard is this to understand?... but go ahead stick your head back down in the sand and carry-on.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So Mach, did you take the VSP? Why/why not?

 

[slowtation capt]

In the last 2 days whenever I met a flight options crew in an FBO guess what they were talking about? Not SLI. Not about the JCBA. Every time, they were bitching about the union's actions on the VSP and I was walking into a very familiar conversation, sounding very much just like this one. Pilots are worried they are next, and pissed off the union is trying to take away the VSP.

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Seriously, you have had time to fly, let alone meet other FO pilots in fbo's. Which by itself is even a rarity today that you run into other FO pilots at fbo's

Looks to me that the only thing that you have had time to do is post.

 

[shanes123]

For the last friggin' time, the union never denied or attempted to deny the pilots the VSP, they only wanted to negotiate, perhaps get a better deal, but most importantly, get it in a written, legally enforceable LOA. How friggin' hard is this to understand?... but go ahead stick your head back down in the sand and carry-on.

Negotiate a better deal??????? A VSP is a better deal.....anything at all is a better deal. The other option is Furlough. VSP is giving a choice. A furlough is not a choice. That's the better deal right there. And anyone that believes KR would not have followed thru or furloughed anyway like a said before. That's even better yet now it's on him. This went down on the union. Agree to the VSP sign off on it and the ball is in KR court let him take the hit or prove again he's the reason we need a union. This is so simple and to get outplayed on this is not acceptable.

 

[Mach94]

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Seriously, you have had time to fly, let alone meet other FO pilots in fbo's. Which by itself is even a rarity today that you run into other FO pilots at fbo's

Looks to me that the only thing that you have had time to do is post.

Hmmm. Someone else has lots of time too apparently, but yep. I did have time to post! Those darn airplanes. They can be so... broken. Your point?! You think I'm lying about what's going on in the pilot lounges of the FBO's, huh? Someone's in denial.

 

[Mach94]

So Mach, did you take the VSP? Why/why not?

Boy you REALLY want to know that. Wonder why. Hmmm.