Farquaad fiddled while OneSky burned

[shanes123]

DOH you don't know what would have happened and if that did happen all the better for the Union. Then the union could have sat back and said " Look we tried to work with the company we agreed to their poor excuse of a VSP and they still can't run this company properly" That may have built up some trust among these stupid pilots. But any chance of that is now lost. How KR outplayed the union on this is mind boggling.

 

[doh]

Shanes, you're doing exactly what you accuse the Flexjet pilots of doing. Really?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So on Friday, the company told the union negotiators that they were unable to schedule any meetings for the following week. Naturally the negotiators went home to await the company response. On Sunday night the company said they would only be available on that Monday. Of course the negotiators were unable to get back that quick, so in their deposition, in federal court, the company claimed it was the union's fault for not meeting.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So Mach, did you take the VSP? Why/why not?

 

[shanes123]

I am doing what I always do. Calling it as I see it. I support the union 99% of the time. And if there was a union vote today it would still be a yes vote for me. But the VSP was handled wrong. And it has damaged this group for what I fear is beyond repair. The union leaders need to admit the mistake and fix it. The VUH board has fell all but silent probably because people are afraid to say something was handled wrong on that board. Bottom line is nobody is right 100% of the time. But admitting a mistake goes a lot farther then trying to argue it and try to convince everyone else you are right. Especially when 40 pilots on the street and another 550+ sit and watch.

 

[Mach94]

When has the union ever admitted they made a mistake? Never. Just like the company. And shanes123 I agree with you, the fact that the union can't even admit it only makes things worse.

In the last 2 days whenever I met a flight options crew in an FBO guess what they were talking about? Not SLI. Not about the JCBA. Every time, they were bitching about the union's actions on the VSP and I was walking into a very familiar conversation, sounding very much just like this one. Pilots are worried they are next, and pissed off the union is trying to take away the VSP.

 

[shanes123]

I hope they realize the damage this decision has done. I don't see how they can't. What you say is the truth Mach, this has over shadowed SLI, JCBA, and it's taken the heat off those FJ morons.

 

[flexpilot]

It appears that the pilots at Flight Options/FlexJet are working for a management team that is hell bent on creating turmoil and infighting within the ranks. The sad part is, it's working.

If Ken Ricci wanted to make it all good, he could. He's playing you guys one against the other with great success.

The Mach94 guy with the recent posts is awfully suspicious. He's blaming everything on the union. I would definitely listen to what your union leadership has to say.

Good luck guys.

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

I hope they realize the damage this decision has done. I don't see how they can't. What you say is the truth Mach, this has over shadowed SLI, JCBA, and it's taken the heat off those FJ morons.

Soooo the FJ guys are morons, but who is eating each other here?

 

[Mach94]

It appears that the pilots at Flight Options/FlexJet are working for a management team that is hell bent on creating turmoil and infighting within the ranks. The sad part is, it's working.

If Ken Ricci wanted to make it all good, he could. He's playing you guys one against the other with great success.

The Mach94 guy with the recent posts is awfully suspicious. He's blaming everything on the union. I would definitely listen to what your union leadership has to say.

Good luck guys.

That's a fair statement, flexpilot. You're right, you haven't normally seen this kind of chatter from the options pilots about the union. That was because for the most part, the union's decisions and actions were predictable and for the good of the pilot group. What you see here are MiGs who are now pissed at a most catastrophic, expensive, personally impacting mistake union leadership is making regarding those losing their jobs. It's despicable. And I for one am listening to the union leadership. I just am not buying their reasons for their actions and not about to just "toe the party line" when such a disastrous mistake is being made. I can't afford to. Not much I can do but let others here know they aren't the only ones feeling the way I am.

How would you feel if you were about to get kicked out the door and lose your job, probably not for the first time, but this time you know the company will probably be shutting its doors and there's no reason or ability to return, could have got a $100,000 check on the way out to help speed you on your way and assist you as you take a pay cut at the bottom of the next seniority list, but the union says "not so fast" and keeps you from it? Think you might speak up about that?

This is a colossal mistake that will ultimately destroy our very union we all worked very hard for as it just bottomed out our solidarity, which was already weakened. That decision will affect Flexjet as well, as now you won't have the solidarity for when the inevitable decertification vote is a reality.

It is very sad that it has come to this and the union would risk everything over something that quite frankly wasn't worth the overall outcome, especially for those losing their jobs. Regardless of the lame excuses the union has given us.

 

[flexpilot]

That's a fair statement, flexpilot. You're right, you haven't normally seen this kind of chatter from the options pilots about the union. That was because for the most part, the union's decisions and actions were predictable and for the good of the pilot group. What you see here are MiGs who are now pissed at a most catastrophic, expensive, personally impacting mistake union leadership is making regarding those losing their jobs. It's despicable. And I for one am listening to the union leadership. I just am not buying their reasons for their actions and not about to "toe the party line" when such a disastrous mistake is being made. How would you feel if you were about to get kicked out the door, could have got a $100,000 check on the way out, but the union says "not so fast" and keeps you from it? Think you might speak up about that? This is a colossal mistake that will ultimately destroy our very union we all worked very hard for.

It was probably an impossible deal that was never going to happen in the first place.

If he was going to kick you out the door, he'd do it. Why should he give you a parting gift? Ken Ricci is not known for his generosity.

 

[Mach94]

If he was going to kick you out the door, he'd do it. Why should he give you a parting gift? Ken Ricci is not known for his generosity.

Oh, he wouldn't, unless there was something in it for him. We all know that.

The PR would look better for his potential owners making the issue look more practical for his "market shift" rather than laying off at a time when no one else is laying off. It makes him look like a pragmatic business man who cares about his employees. (puke)

But I think the real reason is he knew it was the perfect bait to destroy the union. He knew if he let the union be the reason those of us leaving don't get that paycheck, it will destroy the union's solidarity. Brilliant, huh? And the union fell for it hook, line and sinker. And yep. We ARE pissed. He played all of us. And the extremely irritating part is that we, those losing our jobs, know we are nothing but a pawn for both sides, but we are the ones directly affected. It is our lives. Real lives. Real families this affects. Ricci managed to use the perfect tool to shred our support.

I feel like a pig who watched Ricci hand the gun over to the union as it lines us up in the stall to be killed one at a time and sent to the smoke house. And there is nothing we can do about it except watch it happen as we are slowly pushed into the slot, watching each pig in front of us executed one at a time by the union for a cause none of us now care about. And the union is frustrated they are doing it but pulling the trigger anyways, executing each of us in turn, and Ricci is standing there with an evil face, just laughing at us.

 

[greygoose]

If he was going to kick you out the door, he'd do it. Why should he give you a parting gift? Ken Ricci is not known for his generosity.

So he could rub it in the face of others down the road, that they had the option to take it earlier but didn't. Doesn't sound nice to say, but sure seems like something he would do.

 

[flexible]

Admittedly I'm not necessarily up on all all the low down of union ins and outs but none of this makes sense. As far as I know not a single real flex jet pilot cares about any of this. The only ones who care are extremely anti union and they apparently understand it less than me

This is as I believe was coined a political furlough. Not based on need or realities or even bonified business restructuring.

Therefore the object was to make union look shifty no matter what happened anywhere.

Confused why you can't see into that and simmer down. You were never going to get what the magic leprechaun promised you might. It's all a game. The only party who done wrong is management. The fact 30 plus posts have explained very reasonably so even this moron can understand union had no choice is curious why you continue to protest.

I simply don't believe you are seeing the outrage you profrss. And I have been to vehicle trying get to see were you are saying union demanding recall rights. All I see if a negotiation suggestion that was ignored. A first step where everyone first offer is unreasaonsble. There is no demand you speak of. Where is it?

 

[993_Pilot]

For the last friggin' time, the union never denied or attempted to deny the pilots the VSP, they only wanted to negotiate, perhaps get a better deal, but most importantly, get it in a written, legally enforceable LOA. How friggin' hard is this to understand?... but go ahead stick your head back down in the sand and carry-on.