FAA Vacation

[Quiet Flight]

Zero days. ASAP

 

[Frap]

I believe any correction/warning letters issued under ASAP are not viewable by a PRIA request.

Where is this written?

 

[BoilerUP]

Where is this written?

I can't guarantee that statement is in either one of the links below because I don't have time this morning to review them, but I'd look in the top one first.

Beware - there is plenty FAA legalise...

Designation of Aviation Safety Action Program (ASAP) Information as Protected from Public Disclosure Under 14 CFR Part 193

This is the full AC about the ASAP program, in .pdf:

Advisory Circular 120-66B

 

[SteelerMan]

Zero days. ASAP

I agree, this will probably be accepted into ASAP with a letter of warning that goes away after a year. Airspace violations that I have knowledge of have been treated that way, and they were noted by atc during the flight.

 

[Occam's Razor]

The test case for this was our A319 that landing at Ellsworth AFB instead of Rapid City.

1. Not sole source.

2. Immunity status subject to the discretion of the ERC.

3. "Visibility" on PRIA based on #2.

CAUTION: Pure speculation ahead! If the SWA crew is "cooperative", they might not get time off. If not, or if the ERC is in a snotty mood...they'll have time to paint the family room.

ALPA bashers note: Our guys received immunity from the ERC because NWA pilots acted collectively via ALPA, and threatened to pull down the ASAP and FOQA programs if the incident wasn't classified "sole source". The crew screwed up, no question, but the chain-of-events that led to the boo boo were more important to us than their heads on a pike.

That message COULD have been delivered by a couple of pilots individually...but for some reason, managements tend to listen to large organized groups with a little more interest.

 

[timmay]

Am I the only one who thinks a mistake of this nature should not go unpunished?? I understand that it was a mistake and can happen to anyone, but it is a mistake that can't happen. This could have easily killed 300+ people and probably deserves more than a letter in a file that gets expunged in 2 years. Just my opinion.

 

[Britpilot]

Am I the only one who thinks a mistake of this nature should not go unpunished?? I understand that it was a mistake and can happen to anyone, but it is a mistake that can't happen. This could have easily killed 300+ people and probably deserves more than a letter in a file that gets expunged in 2 years. Just my opinion.

Maybe you are. This kind of incident happens more often than you think and could happen to any of us. Punishment would do nothing to prevent it happening again. There any many incidents that could have caused loss of life. (ATL incursion a couple of weeks ago) Evaluation and education is the most productive thing to do and that is what ASAP is all about.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Am I the only one who thinks a mistake of this nature should not go unpunished?? I understand that it was a mistake and can happen to anyone, but it is a mistake that can't happen. This could have easily killed 300+ people and probably deserves more than a letter in a file that gets expunged in 2 years. Just my opinion.

Your attitude is what contributes to 300+ people being killed.... consider changing it.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Am I the only one who thinks a mistake of this nature should not go unpunished?? I understand that it was a mistake and can happen to anyone, but it is a mistake that can't happen. This could have easily killed 300+ people and probably deserves more than a letter in a file that gets expunged in 2 years. Just my opinion.

Yah, a bad mistake. But, one that could happen to any one of us though. Nobody got hurt and I dont think anyone deserves any time off. Sure, it will be a lesson learned for the guys involved but its a lesson for the rest of us as well.

If this happened to you, I'll bet that you would be singing to a slightly different tune here.

 

[Say Again Over]

I hope they receive one of those nice letters that goes away in two years and a training session, I don't think either pilot will ever let that happen again.

 

[timmay]

So just so I understand what everyone is saying here. If a doctor operates on the wrong part of a body, lets say takes out someones spleen instead of a kidney you think they should only get a letter in their file?? Very much the same thing just a mistake. Bash away

 

[Guitar rocker]

So just so I understand what everyone is saying here. If a doctor operates on the wrong part of a body, lets say takes out someones spleen instead of a kidney you think they should only get a letter in their file?? Very much the same thing just a mistake. Bash away

Was any harm done to anyone in taking off without the clearance? No. Is there any harm in taking out a spleen instead of a kidney? Im not an MD but something tells me that there would be some harm done in that case. I know what you are getting at but your above comparisson isnt valid.

 

[wrightflyer]

No harm in removing a spleen, you dont need one to live but the MD should still be held accountable.

 

[timmay]

No harm in removing a spleen, you dont need one to live but the MD should still be held accountable.

Someone finally gets my point. YES it can happen to anyone and NO IDONT think they should lose there job. However we need some accountability which is lacking in our industry.

 

[RDG]

So just so I understand what everyone is saying here. If a doctor operates on the wrong part of a body, lets say takes out someones spleen instead of a kidney you think they should only get a letter in their file?? Very much the same thing just a mistake. Bash away

Not even close to the same thing. You're pretty far out there dude.