FAA Covers Colgan's Ass

[Dubya]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_go_ot/us_plane_into_home_whistleblower

"When Monteleon continued to press for action on safety concerns at Colgan and what he alleged was a cozy relationship between the agency and the airline, he was transferred or reassigned three more times, Katz said."


The government is here to protect you. Don't worry.


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[smartelephant]

This is what happens when a politician's name is attached to a business. Who said you can't call in favors to washington anymore?

 

[HA25]

I have tried 3 times to get on with the FAA with the intent of being a whistle blower the second they even tried to pressure me to look the other way while some airline skirted the intent of the law... I'm dead certain they know my agenda as I've never heard back, and I'm sure, based on their application and the high level of value placed on management work (such as Chief Pilot, DO, etc..) they're looking for "company man" types for these posts.

 

[Princedietrich]

Trust me dude, you don't need to be a "company man" to get on with the FAA. There are quite a few in the upper ranks who meet that description, but thankfully they're starting to retire off and get replaced by people who are capable of coherent thought.

 

[DC8Driver]

Like the FAA would have saved everyone in Buffalo?

Poor pilot skills killed those people...Not the FAA.

 

[Dubya]

Like the FAA would have saved everyone in Buffalo?

Poor pilot skills killed those people...Not the FAA.

Thank's Captain Obvious. I think that has been covered in about 47 other threads. Different thread here, but thanks for contributing.


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[makersmarc]

Like the FAA would have saved everyone in Buffalo?

Poor pilot skills killed those people...Not the FAA.

I will take your logic to the next level: It wasn't poor piloting skills that killed those people, it was blunt force trauma.

 

[Snaab]

When there has been ZERO accountability for how Colgan's been allowed to operate, train, hire, monitor, and enforce horrendous policies on it's pilots (and FAs), you have the current situation. It speaks for itself.

 

[HA25]

Like the FAA would have saved everyone in Buffalo?

Poor pilot skills killed those people...Not the FAA.

I beg to differ.

Because the FAA isn't weeding out enough riff raff with their overly lax training and testing, and "records" of failure/pass required to Command... this plays into the hands of the $22/hr employers like Colgan since it keeps the labor pool flooded with "meat in the seat". So long as middle aged career changers can buy their training at GIA and fail 5 checks, yet continue to command a 121 airliner, and little girls who've never been in IMC/Icing act as FO's... the FAA isn't doing their job.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

I beg to differ.

Because the FAA isn't weeding out enough riff raff with their overly lax training and testing, and "records" of failure/pass required to Command... this plays into the hands of the $22/hr employers like Colgan since it keeps the labor pool flooded with "meat in the seat". So long as middle aged career changers can buy their training at GIA and fail 5 checks, yet continue to command a 121 airliner, and little girls who've never been in IMC/Icing act as FO's... the FAA isn't doing their job.

Yep, all is good with these folks until about 6-months in and they start to realize it's actually a job and not a hobby...and it really hits home on their first Christmas Eve layover! Livin' the dream...and cutting the legs out from under "career pilots".

 

[30West]

Do we really need 2 threads on this?

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=123397

 

[Dubya]

Do we really need 2 threads on this?

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=123397

Meh. Search fail.


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[Jar Jar]

I will take your logic to the next level: It wasn't poor piloting skills that killed those people, it was blunt force trauma.

Haha. A lack of regulation allowing the regionals to hire 'just about anyone' had nothing to do with 3407. Everything is okay, just that damned blunt force trauma thing again.

Congress to decide that regional pax ought to be wearing helmets, shoulder harnesses, and mouthpieces.. :laugh:

 

[Flyby1206]

3 weeks ago the country was in an uproar about this whole incident. Now?....Back to your regularly scheduled airline hell where the FAA looks the other way and airline lobbyists with $$$ keep things status quo.

 

[HA25]

3 weeks ago the country was in an uproar about this whole incident. Now?....Back to your regularly scheduled airline hell where the FAA looks the other way and airline lobbyists with $$$ keep things status quo.

One of American's biggest failings in my view is their VERY short attention span.. It's sad, but we've had "commuter" airlines in the news ever since I can remember over safety, training ,experience, pay, etc.. NOTHING has been done.. The ATA has far more lobby power than any ALPA, or pilot organization.

 

[doh]

Like the FAA would have saved everyone in Buffalo?

Poor pilot skills killed those people...Not the FAA.

If the FAA had not approved the operation of those airplanes because of the observed poor pilot skills, those people would be alive. Hence, the FAA had a role in causing their deaths.

 

[Erlanger]

FAA Inspector appears on FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video...//www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525250,00.html

 

[sweptback]

The ATA has far more lobby power than any ALPA, or pilot organization.

It's not surprising. Lobbying is a priority for the airlines, and it's not a priority for the pilots (ALPA-PAC contributions are at a pathetically low percentage, especially for the regional airlines).

 

[diggertwo]

The Regionals have never had a strong voice within ALPA. Who pays more of their bills, them or the Majors?

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[HA25]

ALPA is fast becoming a regional union... the rapid growth of commuters into regionals over the past 10 years has long since made that point moot.