F9 to be pay protected at WN rates?

[Porch]

A former classmate has told me that the F9 pilots will be pay protected at SWA rates, not their (F9) current rates. He is a SWAPA dude, so I would assume he is all over the details. BTW, I asked him what he makes and he said his first 6 months were 80K and he is a 6 year guy, I think.

What are the F9 folks hearing? It seems to me that would add up pretty quick. I don't know what the F9 pay is now w/ bankruptcy, but it is a sizable raise even on top of their pre-BK pay.

Is Republic going to honor F9's current rates or pre-BK contract rates? I know BB has said that he would honor (funny word coming from him) F9 contract for three years, but what happens after that?

I wish the best for those of you at F9. Hoopefully there is a solution with a reasonable consolation after seeing your company go through this.

Thanks, this whole thing is giving me diarrhea and erectile disfunction... LoL, They aren't telling us much except that there will be some pay increases with R over the next 3 years... after that, who knows. All these rumors about WN and stapling, possible integration, maybe offering preferential interviews based on needs, to not hiring anyone... WhoTF knows any more. We just need some facts, I'm tired of the speculation... Honor, yeah that is a funny word coming out of his mouth.

 

[BlueBlood]

P,

Thanks. It must suck being in your shoes right now. Maybe at the end of the day WN can make you whole........financially.

For me, it's all about the money. It has always been about the money. That's why we put up with the BS. It certainly isn't because flying a narrowbody is that much fun. I had more fun in my career when I flew smaller stuff with less.

I could really give a $hit about seat..........pay me! Time off and money.

 

[Dude]

Word!

 

[SevenThreeSeven]

"I do have a clue tough guy. A Frontier Capt half way up the seniority list will be half way up a SWA Capt list as will an F/O. Just like the Age 65 rule it is federal law, Get use to it."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'll bet you a dollar its a little different than that.

 

[firstthird]

I'm not sure we're reading this correctly. there are a few ways that a 'pay protection' could go down.

1 - it depends on if FAPA guys bring their current longevity to any combined list for pay/vacation purposes

2 - it depends on how the integration goes, obviously. any type of ratio/feather and they'd see higher rates from day one at SWA pay so pay protection wouldn't be necessary

3 - assume a staple for the sake of this argument. it wouldn't make sense to 'pay protect' them at 12 year SWA captain rates. it would make sense to make sure they make at least the same as they made at F9 prior to A&M. So, there would seem to be some kind of conversion of their hourly rates to our trip rates, and they would maintain that higher rater until they surpass it at normal SWA pay scales.

doesn't seem that tough to figure out. "pay protection" that paid F9 guys 1st year SWA wages wouldn't be pay protection. neither would "pay protection" that paid the well above their current rates. the idea of pay protection is so that no one takes a pay cut in the merger.

thoughts?

 

[BlueBlood]

Wouldn't they carry longevity for pay/vacation and get new seniority numbers at the bottom for bidding and etc.? It seems easy at first glance. Keep your longevity for pay and vacation, then everything else goes to the bottom.

?????

 

[firstthird]

Longevity for vacation is pretty easy. for pay would be harder, there would be no need for pay protection if they carried longevity for pay purposes. a 12 swa fo probably makes more than a 12 year F9 capt if the conversion is correct. but who knows.

 

[njcapt]

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[MILPILOT17]

They'll take it to an arbritrator who will enforce seat protection and a blend of DOH/relative seniority. Its federal law.

HA! You really are a FAT IDIOT! Going to wipe the tears from my eyes now; have a nice day. HAHAHA!

 

[texman]

They'll take it to an arbritrator who will enforce seat protection and a blend of DOH/relative seniority. Its federal law.

Your funny. Your pic looks like the dad from family guy. lol

 

[waka]

instructordude, I love the comic relief that you provide to FI! keep up the good work! :beer:

 

[climb2slow]

I'm not sure we're reading this correctly. there are a few ways that a 'pay protection' could go down.

1 - it depends on if FAPA guys bring their current longevity to any combined list for pay/vacation purposes

2 - it depends on how the integration goes, obviously. any type of ratio/feather and they'd see higher rates from day one at SWA pay so pay protection wouldn't be necessary

3 - assume a staple for the sake of this argument. it wouldn't make sense to 'pay protect' them at 12 year SWA captain rates. it would make sense to make sure they make at least the same as they made at F9 prior to A&M. So, there would seem to be some kind of conversion of their hourly rates to our trip rates, and they would maintain that higher rater until they surpass it at normal SWA pay scales.

doesn't seem that tough to figure out. "pay protection" that paid F9 guys 1st year SWA wages wouldn't be pay protection. neither would "pay protection" that paid the well above their current rates. the idea of pay protection is so that no one takes a pay cut in the merger.

thoughts?

Here is my only heart burn with this incessant 'pay protection' argument. There is more to a career than money. I have made more, I do not want to make less, but I could. What I would rather have is a stable career. That being said, seniority is king. Southwest has been a hugely successful company that has been the place to go for a long time. I remember a time about 10 years ago when United was the place to go. That has not worked out so well for a lot of folks. I am not completely convinced that just paying me more and stapling me is better than a seniority integration at Republic that keeps all my fellow pilots, not just 80% of them, and a future that contains growth.

All that said, it is still too early to worry until the auction is over and we have a winner. Until that time, there is not any point to speculating.

 

[Cometman]

Here is my only heart burn with this incessant 'pay protection' argument. There is more to a career than money. I have made more, I do not want to make less, but I could. What I would rather have is a stable career. That being said, seniority is king. Southwest has been a hugely successful company that has been the place to go for a long time. I remember a time about 10 years ago when United was the place to go. That has not worked out so well for a lot of folks. I am not completely convinced that just paying me more and stapling me is better than a seniority integration at Republic that keeps all my fellow pilots, not just 80% of them, and a future that contains growth.

All that said, it is still too early to worry until the auction is over and we have a winner. Until that time, there is not any point to speculating.

SWA has a history of being stable. You know what to expect going with SWA. You really don't know the history with Republic. It will be a gamble if you have the choice. If you get to vote yes or no on the SWA deal I would think the odds are in your favor if you go with SWA. I wish I had the chance to vote for something like that.

 

[StaySeated]

There will not be any kind of vote. The f9 pilots are not choosing between RAH and SWA.

The F9 BOD chooses, and they make a recommendation to the UCC.

 

[Cometman]

There will not be any kind of vote. The f9 pilots are not choosing between RAH and SWA.

The F9 BOD chooses, and they make a recommendation to the UCC.

When I say vote I mean voting for what SWA offers them. I would assume that SWAPA members will get the chance to vote on the proposal. Maybe someone from SWAPA can confirm this.