Extraneous useless radio phrases

[dickburns]

I see alot more than you do from your little space at center, and I can tell you that controllers all over the country use 4.5, 124 and a quarter, etc. I will agree with you on your point of pilots using phrases like fish finder instead of TCAS, or FS = foxy sugar, etc. Those do not belong. The tripple 8 thing I have heard from ATC several times though. Don't point fingers! ATC does it too!

and believe it or not, those controllers are getting written up for using 4.5 124 and a quarter, triple 8, etc.

 

[highsky]

I see alot more than you do from your little space at center, and I can tell you that controllers all over the country use 4.5, 124 and a quarter, etc. I will agree with you on your point of pilots using phrases like fish finder instead of TCAS, or FS = foxy sugar, etc. Those do not belong. The tripple 8 thing I have heard from ATC several times though. Don't point fingers! ATC does it too!

You should change your username from Hollywood82 to "Wedge," the simplest of all tools in the shed.

 

[Hollywood82]

You should change your username from Hollywood82 to "Wedge," the simplest of all tools in the shed.

There is so much more toolery in the crap that you spew from your mouth.

What I DID say was that they don't make a habit of it, and I can't recall an instance where I've NOTICED it.

HAHAHA! Pull your head out of you’re a$$! Lose the idealist attitude, and pay attention.

And just remember “a$$ master”…. Your wife left you because you are an idealist jerk. No, I think the title of tool belongs to you.

 

[Airbeast]

There is so much more toolery in the crap that you spew from your mouth.

HAHAHA! Pull your head out of you’re a$$! Lose the idealist attitude, and pay attention.

And just remember “a$$ master”…. Your wife left you because you are an idealist jerk. No, I think the title of tool belongs to you.

Please stop blabbering and just do things right.

 

[Hollywood82]

Please stop blabbering and just do things right.

Easy Sailor!

 

[say again]

I had a short flight (TEB-BOS) and counted numerous time the use of improper phraseology, and guess what?? Everyone understood each other. Wow, simply amazing.

 

[jasonwb]

i remember reading this thread when it first came to life over a year ago.......i just read the whole thing and was actually sad to see that the thread finally died.....lots of good points and some not so good. all in all i think it was a great run while it lasted!

oh yeah............anyone who ever flew in Houston's airspace i'm sure remembers the "JetLinkin" guy.......he used that for years....he has since retired.....thanks for all the laughs and i hope he is enjoying his retirement!

Jb

 

[brokeflyer]

Why in the world do some pilots use the redundant, totally useless, stupid phrase "with you" in their 'check-in' call to ATC. He KNOWS you are "with him". "Checking in with you" has to be the worse. Call sign and altitude is all ya need and all he wants. Quit wasting time on the radio.

Why, when asked your speed by ATC do some guys add the useless "...what do you need?". Just answer the question -- ATC will tell you what they need, if any change, after you answer the question.

Major airport control towers have local radar. Just tell the guy you are on final for the runway. You don't need some long drawn out call telling him whether you're "doing the visual" or "on the ILS" or that you are (again) "with him".

Don't tie up center frequency trying to sound cool by asking ATC "...how ya doing today?" at the end of your check-in.

ATC gives you on-coming trafiic above 18,000' solely so you won't get startled by seeing the traffic so there is absolutely no need to call back ATC a minute later to tell him you have him in sight --he doesn't care!

STFU and get my checklist out......dont worry about what everyone else is doing. You need to concentrate on yourself.

 

[Abernathy]

This thread again. I might find some phrases gay, like "tally-ho" and "here we go"...but I don't get burned up enough about them to post a thread on it. As for "with you," I really never understood why anyone cares. I don't even hear it that much, and when I do, I sure as hell don't react and whine like a b**ch about it. I probably don't hear it much because I don't sit around waiting to hear it.

As for eight point five, I say the point below 10 because it's quick and just as effective and I've never heard anyone complain. I also may say ten five for flight level 190 because who gives a f**k.

Get laid.

 

[lookin4better]

" Ceeeeeter! ... heeeeeellllo! this is N1234, we are with ya levelin' at 41 ( 39,500 ) ... gettin bumped around pretty good.. and ride reports ahead? .... hows your day going? "

I prefer proper terminology.... but to know it drives somone THAT nuts... im up for chaning it up on occasion to make somoene squirm in their seat.



" tally ho! "

 

[ABCD1234]

MACH80.....

...these aren't YOUR airplanes...if MY airplane becomes a smokin' hole in the ground...you still get in your car and drive home that night.....don't get wound up with all the bad 'pilot speak'....I've heard just as many controllers with diahrea of the mouth...take it easy and just relax.. C U next tuesday.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

this thread needs to die. If you guys want to say "with you" when you call me on freq then do it. Say what ever you want to say.....and enjoy bugg'n the crap out of these other people who have nothing better to do then cringe when they hear it. I don't know about you but in my world, someone starts to whine and complain about things.......i continue to do it just to bug em.

With you.....out of 2.4 for 5 thousand. 3424 in the box, got him on the fish finder, all acceptable in my book. I know what you mean and we don't always have to sound professional....well...i do unfortuantly being a controller but you can all say what ever it is you want in my opinion and do it to spite the people who can't stand it!

 

[brokeflyer]

i $hit perfection and p1ss excellence.....so what do you think happens when i key the mic?

Whatever I say is perfectly acceptable. If you dont like it then go monitor 121.5 and get me a cup of coffee. Or else i'll make you go sit in the back.

 

[Erlanger]

The one phrase that bugs me the most that some pilots say when they read back instructions is "Ok, here we go". That has got to be the most annoying phrase ever.

 

[LNKav8R]

He's been holding at Mach80 all this time? Someone should clear him along!

East coast at 3:30 pm? Definitely keep it professional and quick. Over Montana at 1:30 am? Blabber away - anything to help keep everyone awake.

Yep, nothing worse than flyin at night over dark earth or in the clouds and having no one to talk to!! Chill out a bit and relax. If it's really busy shut up, if not, it's just being friendly. Hell I like to have the guy say hello & goodbye to me, why not be personable and do the same for him. Remember maybe he won't get FINITE AIRSPACE syndrome!!

 

[ron burgundy]

...that's the attitude I expect from a controller.

I don't even want to imagine how difficult it is to manage all the traffic coming in and out of ATL and maybe things are different down there.

Try managing the energy of a jet. I don't want to unnecessarily waste fuel. If I know how long the final is, I know whether or not I need to hurry down, use drag--or not. I don't want to be at 2500' 20 miles out, and I don't want to be turning base to final 5 mile out @ 7000' still doing 250. Out here on the West Coast, controllers actually volunteer that information.

So, you are having a hard time keeping up with your airplane?

How about listening to the radio and kinda get a feel for the flow of traffic?
Ya know, when the last 10 aircraft have been turned on to the Localizer 10 miles from Bahrr or whatever.

 

[~~~^~~~]

shortcuts and ride reports!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! give us a break. at least try not to ask every single controller, every time you check in on a new freq.

This really depends. Considerations include:

On a 50 seat RJ there isn't very far to go and not much going on in the isles. In a 330 seat jet you usually have passengers up (even with the seat belt sign on) and FA's up to serve those passengers.

In case anyone forgot, we are held to the highest standard of care to forsee harm to these passengers and ensure their safety. I want to know what ride reports are out there, particularly if we are changing altitudes or the weather appears unstable. .. and unlike the RJ days, it is not my fourth trip that day through that same patch of weather. Frankly, I'm asking because I don't know.

Also there is the sheer moment arm on the larger jets. In the tail, more than 100 feet from the center of gravity any movements are amplified like they are on the end of a diving board.

It's all about safety - so kindy do provide ride reports.

 

[~~~^~~~]

So, you are having a hard time keeping up with your airplane?

No, but in order to comply with your altitude requests we need to have the jet properly configured. Without slats/flaps many modern jets just don't slow down or come down because those engineers have designed them to be very, very, efficient (shockers).

The alternative is to "dirty up early" which wastes gas and contributes to the pollutants that destroy the paint job on your nice new car.

We can make your job easy (by being configured to comply) and you can make our job easy - good goes round that way.

Most controllers do an outstanding job - thanks for answering our questions.

 

[ron burgundy]

No, but in order to comply with your altitude requests we need to have the jet properly configured. Without slats/flaps many modern jets just don't slow down or come down because those engineers have designed them to be very, very, efficient (shockers).

The alternative is to "dirty up early" which wastes gas and contributes to the pollutants that destroy the paint job on your nice new car.

We can make your job easy (by being configured to comply) and you can make our job easy - good goes round that way.

Most controllers do an outstanding job - thanks for answering our questions.

Thanks.. I used to fly the 737-200...ugly looking..didn't look like it should fly at all. A "byatch" to get down. Now it is the -700, better looking..same problem. That is why you try to stay ahead of it. Ya live, ya learn!

 

[no1pilot2000]

Keep it short and simple

Baltimore Tower, "whatever airline" holding short, runway 28 ready for takeoff 28. (Whatever airline) responds...Taxi into postion and hold 28. (Whatever airkine) responds......Cleared for takeoff 28.

28...28...28...28...28 bla... bla.....bla....bla....bla

The air traffic controller KNOWS where you are, a pilot doesn't need to keep remond the tower WHERE they are.

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

I have come to the conclusion that pilots burning holes in the sky atleast 80(+) hours a month are more easily perturbed over phraseology than 15 hour a month flyboys.

I suggest pilots who are burned out from flying those crazy 900(+) hour years to look for the cushy high paying 150 hour a year gigs and stop the bitching. I know in this current environment it is almost impossible but believe me positions do open up. Firing and hiring still occurs in these times.

Most will agree that it is easy to see the difference in irritability between pilots-controllers-etc when it comes to having less time in the cockpit compared to flown hard-put away wet pilots.

 

[Taildraggaah]

The air traffic controller KNOWS where you are, a pilot doesn't need to keep remond the tower WHERE they are.

1. use spell check

2. read the AIM rookie

 

[Tristar]

Wow. Just wow.

I just read this whole thread for the first time and I'm a bit amazed.

I must admit I used to be one of the guys referred to on this thread: non-standard phraseology, extraneous phrases, trying to sound cool.

Back when I was in college. Then I grew up a little.

More importantly, as others have so aptly pointed out, I started flying internationally (again, Canada doesn't count). There are very good reasons for utilizing standard phraseology which have been explained multiple times in this thread, and yet some still insist on insulting those who correctly call them to operate to a higher standard.

Brokeflyer - in particular you make a couple of statements which are downright hazardous:

STFU and get my checklist out......dont worry about what everyone else is doing. You need to concentrate on yourself

and

Whatever I say is perfectly acceptable

I'm going to hope you are being facetious on the second one, but the first is simply appalling. Does the phrase situational awareness mean anything to you? I strongly suggest you never fly in areas requiring IATA inflight broadcasts, in oceanic airspace, or any country where English is not the first language. Your apathy and ignorance WILL kill someone besides yourself.

Even if all you ever aspire to doing is flying domestically (USA, that is), there is no reason not to strive to be as professional as possible. If you can't see the intrinsic value in that, then I really don't know what to say to you. A quote from "Cool Hand Luke" comes to mind:

What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.