Expressjet. No limit to sick days

[SLUF4]

So they make you go to the ERC if you file an ASAP there? I've filled out several and never been asked to go. Also ASAP is not mandatory, so how can they force you to even fill one out if you call fatigue? I like the idea..just not sure how it's implemented.

 

[rjacobs]

On the fatigue issue; as it was stated it falls under ASAP, now guys will be asked to come to an ERC meeting.

So they make you go to the ERC if you file an ASAP there? I've filled out several and never been asked to go. Also ASAP is not mandatory, so how can they force you to even fill one out if you call fatigue? I like the idea..just not sure how it's implemented.

Not everybody gets called into an ERC meeting for a fatigue ASAP.

If you dont fill out the ASAP for fatigue, you are excluded from the program and are then subject to the CPO and any punishment that they deem necessary.

The sick calls deal is not in the contract or any union document, its part of the companies "attendance and reliability" program. It was changed last year some time. Ive used it twice and its a pretty decent program change, although I dont think we should have to do anything.

 

[SLUF4]

Well that makes more sense

 

[DGdaPilot]

If you dont fill out the ASAP for fatigue, you are excluded from the program and are then subject to the CPO and any punishment that they deem necessary.

How can they punish you for calling fatigued? I'm pretty sure that's completely protected by the FAA.

 

[GuppyWN]

If you call in sick just bring a DR's note when you return and you will be good to go.

You have to have a note? What are you - in Kindergarten? I'm not paying $100 for a doctors visit when I have a head cold.

Gup

 

[rjacobs]

How can they punish you for calling fatigued? I'm pretty sure that's completely protected by the FAA.

Putting fatigue in ASAP means that you have to comply with all the same rules as if you had to file an ASAP for an altitude deviation. If you dont file the ASAP for the altitude deviation you are at the mercy of the FAA(if they choose to pursue it). If you dont file the ASAP for the fatigue call you are going to be excluded from ASAP protection and thus there is no way to tell if that fatigue call was legit or not(as it currently stands) and it is basically sent to the CPO(or somebody else, not sure who gets the ones that are excluded).

 

[SLUF4]

I just don't get how these people in charge think they can determine if a fatigue call is legit or not. If I'm tired and feel unfit to fly I will call fatigue...it doesn't matter if I had a 3 day break from work or not-maybe something happened that caused me not to sleep the night before. Also, I noticed in June here at my company a lot of days blocked to nearly 8 hours and duty times up around 13 followed by 9-10 hour layovers. You have to expect fatigue calls with schedules like that.

 

[rjacobs]

I just don't get how these people in charge think they can determine if a fatigue call is legit or not. If I'm tired and feel unfit to fly I will call fatigue...it doesn't matter if I had a 3 day break from work or not-maybe something happened that caused me not to sleep the night before. Also, I noticed in June here at my company a lot of days blocked to nearly 8 hours and duty times up around 13 followed by 9-10 hour layovers. You have to expect fatigue calls with schedules like that.

There is much more to the process than just a few people sitting down and determining if you were actually fatigued.

 

[Baronman]

You have to have a note? What are you - in Kindergarten? I'm not paying $100 for a doctors visit when I have a head cold.

Gup

No....you can have 4 unquestioned sick calls a year. If you bring a dr's note, it doesn't count towards the 4.

 

[SLUF4]

Well enlighten me-do they have some sort of body exchange teleporter where they can get into my body and see how I feel?