Expressjet needs pilots bad!

[NWA]

Hey AviatorTX, I've never interviewed with coex, i've been at another regional for three years i'm just stating what friends and others have said. Don't take it personal every company has a few biaatches. Maybe she's your girlfriend in that case sorry.

 

[rumorhasit]

You're missing the point that they are running a class every 1 to 2 weeks with 16 new hires in each. Why does it matter where they come from? There are plenty of overqualified folks out there to fill those slots. Plus 2 out of every 16 seems like an awfully good ratio to complain about. Back in the day of 40 new hires per class you'd be lucky to find 1 internally hired pilot.

Why not hire from within? 2/16 is not good when you don't have enough pilots!!! Internal should be more...most are in good standing with the company and not required a background check!!! Some have paid there dues within the company and the company (needing pilots)should look favorable to internal applicants.
I heard the process is not about how many hours you have(you meet the quals or you would not be interviewing) its whether they feel you would be "bearable" on a 4 day trip with someone. The company's image etc.

 

[Tooslow]

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[Bad-Andy]

ps>> Mr. "in the know", can you say for the fact that she has indeed lost her medical and is no longer a line pilot?

Actually Mr. 350, I've known Dawn for about 8 years, and she's none of the things you say. She certainly isn't John Dresser. But, in most of our eyes that is a good thing. (And I'm one of the guys that liked him, too). It's a different industry today than it was when he was around. We need a different approach these days. Anyways, back to your question above, as one "in the know" as you said, she is not a line pilot because the position she took required her to be a manager. Thus, she is on management status with ALPA (and still paying her dues) as long as she's in that office. That's all there is to it. 'Fraid anything else is just vicious rumor by a couple of people that don't like her much...

Andy Reitz
IAH ERJ CA

ps>>> To all you guys taking shots at her, how come no one else will sign their names? It's easy to call someone names from anonimity... Pu$$ies...

 

[350DRIVER]

Andy,


Thanks for the response. . . I am happy that you like her and have had good experiences with her but please do not buy into the misconception that she is liked by all, this is far from the truth. I know quite a few at EJ that would definitely not be in agreement with what you are saying.

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ps>> ever recall the saying that in more times than not one can always find two sides to a story if ya look hard enough?>>>>

Thus, she is on management status with ALPA (and still paying her dues) as long as she's in that office. That's all there is to it.

Not exactly from what I have heard regarding Ms. Daniel


pss>> any idea who hired her FOR the position?!?!

 

[rumorhasit]

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how did you get hired?

 

[350DRIVER]

how did you get hired?

Doesn't he come across as a "smart" one though?

blah, blah, etc, in the interview then maybe that turned Ms. Daniel on?!?!

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[Bad-Andy]

I know quite a few at EJ that would definitely not be in agreement with what you are saying.

You're right, there are probably people here that don't like her. There are people here that are pi$$ed that she didn't hire their friends, etc... Hell, even I was pissed at her unfair treatment of the internals (as I perceived it). But, that policy was fought on levels far above her (or any of us line guys, for that matter). But, any organization has people that get upset at (and some even hate) their HR procedures... All I'm saying is that calling her a bi$ch on an internet board isn't the appropriate response to that anger. At least, not without people having the guts to identify themselves. It's easy to take potshots at someone on a computer. And, further more, she really isn't a bi#^h. That's all...

Not exactly from what I have heard regarding Ms. Daniel

pss>> any idea who hired her FOR the position?!?!

And, again, I say your source is either in error (heard an unsubstantiated rumor) or has a viciuos axe to grind... I know for a FACT (trust me on this one) that she is on the executive/management (whatever it's called) with ALPA. She is definately a dues paying member, and will return to the line at some point. I am absolutely sure of that.

Andy

 

[LJDRVR]

.......i'm just stating what friends and others have said. Don't take it personal every company has a few biaatches. Maybe she's your girlfriend in that case sorry.

Dude, are you drinking again? Lay off Ms. Daniel! Just because your friends had a bad experience with her doesn't mean anything. Where do you get off slandering somebody you've never met in a public way? "maybe she's your girlfriend in that case sorry." LAME. hows about this instead: "I've never met her so maybe I oughta just shut up."

 

[AviatorTx]

I know for a FACT (trust me on this one) that she is on the executive/management (whatever it's called) with ALPA. She is definately a dues paying member, and will return to the line at some point. I am absolutely sure of that.

Since I was asked, I'll vouch for this also. Ms. Daniel will be returning to the line at some point. When??? I guess that's up to her, or the future hiring trends of the industry.

But then again, I'm just another anonymous screen name. What do I know.

But, any XJT ALPA member can log onto the calalpa website and pull up the MEC minutes (June meeting) where Ms. Daniel's "executive" ALPA membership was approved. This should do away with any doubt. I was going to post that portion of the MEC minutes myself, but I do not think it's proper placing that on a "public" board where non-ALPA people can read it.

 

[tin kicker]

For all the folks taking shots at Dawn, you should know that she doesn't make the rules, she is just responsible for following them. Very few situations exist where she makes a solo decision about someone. When prospective pilots are interviewed she has one of three votes on whether they are called back (in other words, the two line pilots who interviewed with your friend didn't like him/her either.) The last interview, the managers have the final vote.

I also know for a fact that she is a dues paying executive innactive member of ALPA. She has committed to a specific time to do the recruiting job and will go back to the line. She was hired by management both HR and Flight Operations. The folks who make the rules she has to follow.

 

[Nova]

Why not hire from within? 2/16 is not good when you don't have enough pilots!!!

Again, where pilots come from doesn't address the staffing issue. We're just plain short of pilots. Even if all 16 pilots in a class were internals we'd still only be getting 16 pilots and still be short staffed.

Internal should be more...most are in good standing with the company and not required a background check!!!

Pilot background checks are different. Plus as you said, MOST are in good standing but not ALL. A few internal applicants think they are owed this job because they've been throwing bags or wearing the uniform for a few years. Some might find it hard to believe that they aren't in good standing. I've known a few to go through the interview assuming that would have the job handed to them on a silver platter only to not get an offer. Why should someone hired as a mechanic be guaranteed a pilot slot if they meet certain minimums? I'm a pilot but feel that I should be judged on my ability to be a mechanic if I were to apply for a position. If I don't stack up then I don't get the job.

Some have paid there dues within the company and the company (needing pilots)should look favorable to internal applicants.

Paid their dues? Showing up to work 9-5 Monday through Friday to punch keys on a keyboard is paying ones dues? Being hired for a different position or working as an intern is not paying ones dues. You are there to fill a role and that is about it. An internship is a bit different in that it's geared more to grease the wheels to get a job there (and even that is no guarantee of a job offer) but other company positions are there to serve specific operational requirements. I would hope that rampers would show up on time because it's their job and they are paid to do so not because the see it as paying their dues so they can be given a pilot slot.

I take it from your line of thought that you are working in a different department at ExpressJet and want to see internal applications get priority for your needs. I know we have a lot of great people that work here but I also know a lot of great people who have been slaving away flight instructing or flying cargo to become the best applicant they can be for ExpressJet or other airlines.

Roughly 1 out of 8 as a ratio for internal applicants is freaking awesome and I know 4 personally that have gotten in so far this year. Why should that ratio be any higher? Don't say that the pilot shortage demands it as I stated before, internal applicants don't address the issue. I think 1:8 is fair enough both to internal applicants and those off the street.

 

[nimtz]

350,

For one who has not turned away from taking potshots at our pilot group on this board, you are out of you're league and talking out of your @ss with this subject. I have flown with several check airmen and not one of them has raised a single concern over the quality of new hires that Dawn's program has brought in. I can assure you that there is little to no disatisfaction amongst our pilot group with our current hiring board. Your blanket assurtation is offbase and false!

You might have a buddy or two that are peed off because some buddy of there's wasn't hired, but that is not a representation of our group. But what would I know, I'm just some idiot 4 year fo who isn't smart enough to go to Mesa for the quick upgrade, so I can move on the majors. Try worrying about you're own house or Mesa since you're so convinced most Xjet pilots are fools or PFT whores.

 

[Scratcher]

Not that bad

They don't need pilots that bad since I got the second call and the intern asked if I had 60hrs in the past 6 months. With more then 2200 hrs in 10 years of military service and being out of the cockpit for just over 6 months while I await a military transfer that just didn't feel real good. I talked with the recruiter coordinator to ask if after I was done with my transistion training and had the 60 hrs could I call them or start the process all over. Guess what, start all over and wait another 4-6 months for the call. Thanks but no thanks I guess.

Scratcher

 

[FSB99]

Just for fun I applied to Coex. The retarded interviewer asked a stupid question...

"What would you do if you heard a passenger complain about a bad landing when getting off the airplane?"

I said it depended on how the passenger said it, but that in all likelihood I would keep quiet. No sense coming across as a smart ass and getting in trouble over it.

Next day I get a letter saying I don't meet their experience and skills requirements.

3,693 hours in ERJs with more than 1000 as a Captain and I don't qualify. They must not need pilots too badly!

Maybe the letter saying you don't meet the experience and skills requirement was just for fun! sounds to me like the retarded interviewer and stupid questions worked just fine. but, you're right, we don't need pilots that bad.

 

[I.P. Freley]

I have a number of friends over there, and the one I talked to most recently (as in a week ago) seems to think that they're hiring like gangbusters... As in, there are many dozens of names on the list junior to him that weren't there a few months ago.

Then again... He's flying over 90hrs/mo on a conversion line, so maybe they ARE short of FO's.

I doubt that any "shortage" is a result of a lack of interest, or a lack of people to put in class. I'm sure that Ms. Daniels can find enough pilots to fill classes of 16 every single week, if that's what they want. I mean... If they interview 16 pilots per day, only four days a week, all they have to do is find 25% of them to be acceptable. Surely they aren't having any problems.

 

[Tooslow]

Hey!

Dawn Daniels is awsome. Just because you can't follow directions or try to pencil whip your logbook, only means one thing. Your not good enough and you will not survive in a 121 airline. Better luck next time. Just keep instructing or whatever as more qualified pilots pass you up.......by the way, you guys might! be qualified at mesa.

 

[Cadillac]

Previously posted by flighttraker:
"Raise your pay above Taco Bell, and maybe yoy can get more applicants"



This, coming from a guy working for transmistakes? I would also be more impressed if you could SPELL flight TRACKER correctly in your name. Or even the word "you".

I'm sorry, I have a low tolerance for incompetent people.

 

[Britpilot]

now ya got the wonderful Ms. Dawn Daniels who is nothing more than a pompous first officer


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Now here is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.

 

[rumorhasit]

NOVA....

What dimension are you in? 9-5 what? I sense from your response you feel employees who “throw bags” in 110 degree heat or listen to your b!tching about your schedule messing up your plans is somehow beneath you and your friends who instruct. Well I say this to you…the ones are in good standing (good standing is not just about clocking in on time) some have developed reputations that should mean better than just flight hours. All over this board I have seen the phrase “experience counts” well I say knowledge of the airline and its image is more important than hours (when comparing equal hour applicants) any day. The company does not owe anyone anything except the opportunity to advance and check clearing the bank!!! As for some of us who do load “YOUR” airplane at out stations, or what ever… we are “HONORED” TO BE in your presence for a little while so we can absorb some of your greatness….Get a life!!!