Expressjet needs pilots bad!

[DAS at 10/250]

Just got the call

For anybody interested, I just got the call from Dawn at Express. Scheduled a July 14 interview in Houston.

Anybody with recent interview experience there feel free to PM. I'll even call ya on my dime.

And for those who may be curious: total 1700 multi 296

 

[MJG]

Dude,

Nice Avatar !!

 

[superrav]

never thought i'd be giving advice..but just be yourself and study hard!! good luck!!!

 

[superrav]

expressjet interview

never thought i'd be giving advice..but just be yourself and study hard!! good luck!!!

 

[Standby 1]

For anybody interested, I just got the call from Dawn at Express. Scheduled a July 14 interview in Houston.

Anybody with recent interview experience there feel free to PM. I'll even call ya on my dime.

And for those who may be curious: total 1700 multi 296

Ditto for me....I'll be there July 14. 1650 tt 330 multi. Good luck to you.

 

[Nova]

I sense from your response you feel employees who “throw bags” in 110 degree heat or listen to your b!tching about your schedule messing up your plans is somehow beneath you and your friends who instruct.

I never stated such positions were "beneath me" but I've yet met anyone who became a better pilot because they flushed a few lavs or threw some bags. Wearing a companies uniform in another function is not paying one's dues. They're looking to hire pilots not company cheerleaders.

Well I say this to you…the ones are in good standing (good standing is not just about clocking in on time) some have developed reputations that should mean better than just flight hours.

And I'm sure they'll carry outstanding letters of recommendation but certain positions dictate certain expertise. Internal applicants already have an opportunity to be hired at minimums lower than those pre-9/11 at ExpressJet. What more do you want? 500 hours? That's practically giving slots away.

All over this board I have seen the phrase “experience counts” well I say knowledge of the airline and its image is more important than hours (when comparing equal hour applicants) any day.

I was an internal applicant at COEX years ago and can honestly say my knowledge of COEX culture did just about squat to make be a better pilot here. I was on an even playing field with everyone else as we went through the training cycle. Unless you're coming from within the training department there is little airline knowledge that will transfer.

The company does not owe anyone anything except the opportunity to advance and check clearing the bank!!!

...and there is nothing stopping any ExpressJet employee from applying for a pilot position. As far as I can tell there is nothing in the hiring criteria for other company positions that insure that those employees are not only qualified for those jobs but also to eventually become pilots.

As for some of us who do load “YOUR” airplane at out stations, or what ever… we are “HONORED” TO BE in your presence for a little while so we can absorb some of your greatness….Get a life!!!

Your grandstanding does nothing to justify your argument.

Internal Applicants are eligible to apply for pilot positions when they have the 500/100 minimums. That's right, they are minimums just in case you forgot. The off the street folks are looking at 1200/200 which gives the internal applicants over a 50% reduction in flight time requirements. With that reduced minimums the internal applicants are still held to the same standards of the off the street applicants. You'd think that would be fair enought but you're still complaining. How about rather than expect the company to lower the bar even further you could just accept your advantage and roll with it.

 

[rumorhasit]

NOVA…

First of all you assume I throw bags…I do not. I did at one time but now I am working more “closely” with pilot and FA contracts. I am sure at one point our paths have crossed and I assure you were not talking to any cheerleader!!!

As for giving slots away I do not expect the company to give away anything…Only opportunity. I am not complaining about any fairness regarding anything…

As far as “grandstanding” an argument I assure you I was not doing such thing. Only responding to your direct response and the Words You chose to use!!! I have “rolled” with this company a lot longer than you think…sir..

 

[rumorhasit]

And that's all I have to say about that...now back to the thread....

PFT sucks and so does Mesa's contract...HAhahahaha

No seriously...xjt need more qualified pilots...period!! The company can't grow without people sitting in those seats. Rumorhasit xjt is talking about "attempting" a "mini" hub/base out of LAX to fly to mexico and some other places!!!

As soon as all the contracts (mx/pilot) are complete plans can become routes!!!

 

[bugchaser]

They must be getting pretty desperate, since they called me for an interview last week. Had to turn the interview down because I can't take the time off right now. The sad part about this deal is that I really want to go for an airline job, but I made more last month than I would the entire first year at XJet. Gotta be crazy to even consider a deal like that, right? Maybe I can work real hard and save up enough to get through the first few years.

 

[Air Biscuit]

The sad part about this deal is that I really want to go for an airline job, but I made more last month than I would the entire first year at XJet.

That's not to shabby. What do you make per year?

 

[bugchaser]

We have several good months in the summer. Usually we will do 15-25k per month for 3-4 months and then slow down until the end of Sept when it is all over. Get from Oct to Mar completely off. The thing is that you never know how good its gonna be. Might make 120k, might make 40k. Also, the schedule sucks. I have flown every day for over 100 days and have been flying some 13+ hour days. Even had one day with 15.4 hrs on the tach! Quick way to build some turbine time I guess. All in all its not a bad way to make a buck or two. Like everything else it has its ups and downs.

 

[rumorhasit]

Ag planes seem like a lot of fun to fly...

 

[LegacyDriver]

Ag planes seem like a lot of fun to fly...

Yeah, it's just the effects of all those skin-wilting, cancer-inducing chemicals you have to deal with in later life that are the downer.

 

[bugchaser]

Now theres an intelligent comment. Hey what about all those chemtrails that all you high flyers are going through all the time?

 

[L.Skywalker]

xjet gouge

Allow me to change the course of this thread: an interesting gouge on xjet posted on aviationinterviews.com today, any comments from the group?

 

[FSB99]

Maybe I can work real hard and save up enough to get through the first few years.

as they say in Houston, this ain't no joke!

seriously.. not a bad idea.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Now theres an intelligent comment. Hey what about all those chemtrails that all you high flyers are going through all the time?

I knew a guy when I was a kid who was an AG pilot. His wife used to bowl on a team with my mom. The last time I saw him he looked like some creature from a Star Trek movie. Imagine the flakes of crust that a dry lakebed forms shortly after the water has evaporated. That's what his skin looked like, only it was blood red around the flakes.

He spent his last days coughing up blood and lung tissue... The doctors claim it was due to the pesticides he sprayed.

Hardly the same as a "chemtrail".

 

[AZaviator]

Here it is, directly from aviationinterviews.com

>>Interview experience:
My group had a slightly different experience because the ExpressJet people were down one interviewer. The 13 candidates all sat in a conference room for 45 minutes while Dawn Daniel and another pilot did the logbook/resume review. I wish I could tell you all about the interview, but I was called out before the questions began. Why is an interesting point for applicants: I was told I do not take aviation "seriously" because flying is my "hobby," so no interview for me despite two lovely recommendation letters from Continental pilots. My current full-time job is as a school teacher. I stay current with two planes that I'm partner in (multi and a single), so I even had plenty of IMC and recent experience. Recommendation: if you don't have a full-time flying job you will not be interviewed so don't bother applying. While Ms. Daniel was "polite," it is that obsequeous, customer service politeness. When asked how she determined that I wasn't "serious" about flying when I had more time and experience than many of the applicants in my group, she ignored my question and began the walk out. The other pilot who was immediately rejected was sent home because he used a computer logbook. He printed out the pages for them to review, but since he didn't sign them, he was rejected. I don't believe the general process here is bad, but the recruiting staff needs to express its desires more completely before dragging someone down to Houston. In retrospect I wasted a lot of time and money when that all could have been avoided had I been aware that only people with full-time flying jobs were being accepted. A mark against ExpressJet for poor communication of that fact and the fact that Ms. Daniel suggested that I go get a CFI job for three months and re-apply. That does not show a lot of respect for people trying to run flight school businesses.<<

I can see their point in not wanting to hire someone who doesn't have a full time flying job of anykind. However, they had to of known this before bringing him out to interview, so why on earth would they bring someone out to Houston just to tell him to immediately go home. I'll agree with the applicant that getting a CFI job for 3 months will do nothing to prepare him for an interview.

What does everyone else think??

 

[DAS at 10/250]

If you are going to interview at ExpressJet, please, please, please, STUDY. I had to watch several people struggle through the interview. I almost felt bad for them. Also, make sure you bring ALL of your logbooks and take 30 seconds and make sure, make da#n sure that your single and multi equal your total. Also do not log Sim as total time. It doesn't work.

I had to watch some 121 guys (mostly Colgan and TSA and Kent state interns) struggle with this interview. One guy actually got told to stop talking. Know your aircraft. SYSTEMS, SYSTEMS, SYSTEMS. If you fly a B1900 you had better know it better than the guy who designed it. One of the interviewers flew the thing for several years. I am taking pitch stops, gas topend governors (I think, I fly piston), ice protection, etc. If you fly a jet burner you had better know how to talk through a V1 cut. Know your alt mims and when you need one.

We had thirteen and I think they called 3. If you want a job apply, there is one more open spot, I had to turn it down due to contractual obligations. $1482 per diem for 75 days of training and then 19.56/hour, you pay uniforms $500 ($300 for jacket) payroll deduct over 24 months w/ 1.40 per diem. 1st year 15 hr call with 2 hr call out, airport stby 5 hrs, 11 days off/month, with 75 hr pay. dues start second year @1.95% gross.

Good company, good people, and they really seemed happy to have new faces. Everybody is pretty much getting the bases they want but you will be reserve most of a full year.

Ignore the previous posts about Dawn being a horrible person. She was great to work with. But, you will be on the bad end of a cold stare if you do not know what you are talking about. Everyone there is great and will treat you great IF you belong there and are not wasting their time.

GOOD LUCK!

 

[upndsky]

A quick clarification about the pay during training. You are on the payroll when you pass your sim check ride, which occurs around the end of week 6, maybe 7, depending on scheduling, etc. So the $1400 is for about 45-50 days of training.

 

[767200]

Not traying to bash anyone at XJet or their recruiters.

Can someone explain me how someone with "1000 some hours" activily flying a Citation gets hired when that person is asked what a Jet Airway is and doesn't have a clue while others who go well prepared and qualified don't?

What is XJet looking for on a candidate? Do they actually know? Surfing classes help?

PS: Don't ask, I did not interview with XJet, this information is first hand through a good friend of mine.

 

[IAHERJ]

I hope she is treating internal applicants fairly being that she was once an internal applicant herself. People are either going to love her or hate her. That goes with the territory when you work in hiring.

IAHERJ

 

[EDUC8-or]

I have a full time job outside of flying, and I instruct usually about 7 days a week. Although I don't fly full time, my typical weekday involves 5-6 hours around the airport of which 3-4 are flying. On the weekends I'm there first thing in the morning and I leave in the evenings.

I might have an interview at ExpressJet and I would really like to go even if it's just for an interview experience, but I don't want to be sent packing after one glimpse at my resume to see I don't fly full time or it's just a "hobby" as stated above.

 

[miles otoole]

Not traying to bash anyone at XJet or their recruiters.

Can someone explain me how someone with "1000 some hours" activily flying a Citation gets hired when that person is asked what a Jet Airway is and doesn't have a clue while others who go well prepared and qualified don't?

Simple-The one with the bigger tits was hired.

 

[dash8driver]

Here it is, directly from aviationinterviews.com

>>Interview experience:
I wish I could tell you all about the interview, but I was called out before the questions began. Why is an interesting point for applicants: I was told I do not take aviation "seriously" because flying is my "hobby," so no interview for me despite two lovely recommendation letters from Continental pilots. My current full-time job is as a school teacher. I stay current with two planes that I'm partner in (multi and a single), so I even had plenty of IMC and recent experience. Recommendation: if you don't have a full-time flying job you will not be interviewed so don't bother applying. While Ms. Daniel was "polite," it is that obsequeous, customer service politeness. When asked how she determined that I wasn't "serious" about flying when I had more time and experience than many of the applicants in my group, she ignored my question and began the walk out.

What does everyone else think??

sounds pretty weak to me. people arent born with a full time job, having one previously has nothing to do with your qualifications or seriousness for the job/career your are trying to get. the fact that he is applying for a full time job and that he drug his a$$ all the way over there for the interview should indicate that he is serious about it.

sometimes the spoiled rich kids, who have it all handed to them and can be a "serious pilot" starting at age 16 til whenever they get their airline job, dont understand that sometimes you have to have a real job in order to pay for your own way through your ratings, or even to survive while being an instructor.

to me people who go through that kind of effort..to have a full time job, and still find the extra time at the end of the day or on their day off to pursue aviation is much more serious about it than the kid who's biggest effort is swiping daddy's credit card through the FBO machine.

 

[EDUC8-or]

sounds pretty weak to me. people arent born with a full time job, having one previously has nothing to do with your qualifications or seriousness for the job/career your are trying to get. the fact that he is applying for a full time job and that he drug his a$$ all the way over there for the interview should indicate that he is serious about it.

sometimes the spoiled rich kids, who have it all handed to them and can be a "serious pilot" starting at age 16 til whenever they get their airline job, dont understand that sometimes you have to have a real job in order to pay for your own way through your ratings, or even to survive while being an instructor.

to me people who go through that kind of effort..to have a full time job, and still find the extra time at the end of the day or on their day off to pursue aviation is much more serious about it than the kid who's biggest effort is swiping daddy's credit card through the FBO machine.

VERY well said. I used the majority of my salary to pay for my ratings, and I couldn't make it on my CFI pay, even with a wife who pays most of our bills.

The funny thing is, I've spoken with friends at other regionals and they thought my second job would HELP me get a full time flying gig. I'm a teacher as well and they thought that shows a level of maturity and responsibility.

If I get the interview I'm interested to see what might happen. I've been studying my pooper off to make sure I'm well prepared, but I'm not expecting much.

 

[Doogie]

I don't know what the deal with everyone bashing Dawn Daniels is. She is a very nice person and I for one haven't had any problems with her. She seems like a very nice person. I think that the only reason that people are bashing her is because they didn't get the job.

Lets remember that she is incharge of hiring hundreds of pilots for ExpressJet and she has been doing this for a while now. I think that she is good at what she does.

Just my .02
Doogie

 

[mooser]

I don't know what the deal with everyone bashing Dawn Daniels is. She is a very nice person and I for one haven't had any problems with her. She seems like a very nice person. I think that the only reason that people are bashing her is because they didn't get the job.

Lets remember that she is incharge of hiring hundreds of pilots for ExpressJet and she has been doing this for a while now. I think that she is good at what she does.

Just my .02
Doogie

I agree, her profesional image is the reason I am reapplying...

Mooser

 

[Doogie]

I agree, her profesional image is the reason I am reapplying...

Mooser

Bravo Man!!! Hope to see you over here soon, if half these guys had your additude I am sure they would be hired. Good luck finding the rest of your actual.

Doogie

 

[mmmdonut]

Mooser: Good luck to you. A good friend of mine just got hired after re-applying. He was shot down the first time he interviewed. Everything went well the second time though.